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player99 said:
Is sibilance the reason for de-essors? Projecting sibilance sounds wrong to me... Looks very cool though!
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It's a bit of a misnomer, the point was that it's a wide-dispersion (the 'projection' part) array of super-tweeters (super in the sense of above, i.e. higher frequencies). It's crossed over a bit higher then a regular tweeter (so 7-10kHz vs, say, 3-7k) specifically to augmenrt the (not quite) "fullrange" speakers in those classic 4xX (e.g. 10 or 12") PA tower speakers of the time. They can really brighten those up nicely, and any extra sibilance in old school (low powered, compared to the guitar amps etc) PA systems like that would get a bit lost in the mix and actually help the vocals cut through a bit. It's just using them in a modern PA where everything is running through the board (also more top end weirdness, like synths or feedback/stupid high gain) means slaying the crowd with what is effectively an Atreides sound-based weapon / LRAD. Until a few years ago, Lee's Palace was the worst for this (still had Piezo tweeters installed and a sound guy who didn't know he was losing his high end hearing so would crank the treble). I've had to walk out of shows or stand at the back (even with plugs in) so that the people in front would absorb some of it. It's much better now/no longer an issue. Not sure if the new owners updated the Front of House speakers but that sound guy has been retired.

Anyway, there's better ways to fill in your top end, such as proper compresion horn tweeters. Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon to see a pair of Sunn tweeters on top of Traynor 4x12 towers even in Ontario. That's why Traynor started making these (and making them cheaper than imported Sunns). I got a pair of these for $40 10 years ago:

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There is a label plate missing off the back of the one pictured above - each jack represents a different crossover point to allow a more custom integration into your PA.
 
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Granny Gremlin said:
Anyway, there's better ways to fill in your top end, such as proper compresion horn tweeters. Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon to see a pair of Sunn tweeters on top of Traynor 4x12 towers even in Ontario. That's why Traynor started making these (and making them cheaper than imported Sunns). I got a pair of these for $40 10 years ago:

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There is a label plate missing off the back of the one pictured above - each jack represents a different crossover point to allow a more custom integration into your PA.
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I had a nice Traynor PA set before, it didn't fall in the cheap category.

Here are my old Traynor Mid Horn:

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Had the sibilance:

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and bass bins

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This set rocked !!!
 
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I still have and use the larger (16 channel IIRC) and powered version of that same mixer. Really good sounding early discrete solid state and surprisingly fully featured especially for the time (spring reverb built in + limiter and a graphic EQ on the master outs - all you really need).

Traynor's later era (I was talking 4x12 towers) bass bins and mid horns were great, but any of the piezo based sibilance projectors were litterally cheaper (and this was by design) than the other easily accessible options of the time (like the Sunn horns I mentioned). You know I love me some Traynor, but lets be real - every brand has something that should be avoided.
 
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Granny Gremlin said:
Traynor's later era (I was talking 4x12 towers) bass bins and mid horns were great, but any of the piezo based sibilance projectors were litterally cheaper (and this was by design) than the other easily accessible options of the time (like the Sunn horns I mentioned). You know I love me some Traynor, but lets be real - every brand has something that should be avoided.
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have to agree with you, the bass bins were amazing and the horns also. The horns were the first to sell when I sold the kit. A keyboard player bought them.
 
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player99 said:
Is sibilance the reason for de-essors? Projecting sibilance sounds wrong to me... Looks very cool though!
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These tweeter arrays were used to compliment full range cabinets lacking in high frequency horns and didn't add impedence to a given full range cabinet as they were peizo-electric.Excellent very high frequency response when used with a bass/mid cabinet of equal efficiency
 
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