Some folks do not support copyright infringements of any sort...Behringer does have a fairly lengthy sheet of lawsuits pertaining to copyrights.

 

They do indeed, which is why I only purchased things whose IP ran out well over 35 years ago, and declined to purchase their clones of recent synth products still in production. If we refused to buy anything that is an exact copy of a "classic" circuit, there'd be a helluva lot of companies out of business.

 

$35 is the standard price for their regular plastic stomp boxes. I don't know how they do it either. I have the super Fuzz clone which is great whenever I want to play along with some Electric Wizard. I had no idea they made those mutron clones, but the bi phase is pretty neat.

 

Guess L&M had to fill the void left by them dropping Line6.

 

When did this happen?

 

 

Did they actually post that?! The first statement is about profitability, the second is about dividend policy and the third is about product pricing structures. Those three concepts are all quite separate and don't flow from each other like they are suggesting. Plenty of profitable companies choose not to pay dividends. And none of that really has to do with choosing pricing structures. I also severely doubt that they sell intentionally sell products at a loss. They'd be opening themselves up to anti-trust liability if they did that as a matter of policy.

 

They don't sell below cost.

 

Still lokes like they are enthusiastic Line 6 dealers on their site....

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Still lokes like they are enthusiastic Line 6 dealers on their site....

If you look more closely most of the products are either out of stock or they only have used stock available.

 

I'm pretty sure that L&M had also dropped the TC Electronic line as a result of their parent company brokering a deal with Cosmo Music. However, they recently came back.

 

TC Electronic is also owned by Behringer.

 

I'm okay with open source however, I would not use somebody else's work to sell anything...mostly curiosity...experiment with the circuit and that's about it. Many designs are derived from early work in electronics...most classic electronic components, no longer have patents...if they did it could become quite messy in legal terms.

 

I bought an EQ pedal last week from LM. The reviews were good and said it was quieter than the boss ge-7. I gave it a try. It was a bit flaky on connections so I returned it. Still it is really cheap.

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I came away from L&M today with a few Eurorack synth modules, both clones of 40 year-old Roland System 100 modules, and a VP-1 phaser, which is a clone of the EHX Small Stone. All are surface mount, which kind of precludes modding, and use the little plastic-shaft 9mm pots, which will have a shorter lifespan than the larger ones used on original Roland gear. The VP-1 sound great, with a nice sweep and a much wider speed range than the original. Indeed, at fastest speeds it starts to border on ring modulator sounds.. It appears to be the functional equivalent of the first 6-chip issue, since it uses 6 OTAs (a trio of LM13700 dual OTAs). The equivalent of the Color switch on the Small stone is a 2-position switch, but for some reason, much like the way guitarists would get the 3-way pickup selector on old Strats in between neck and middle or middle and bridge, I found I can nudge the slider switch halfway, and get the wider-and-slower hypertriangular sweep, but without the extra feedback, normally provided, which is a nice touch.

I have 4 other Behringer pedals: clones of the MXR Phase 90 (which I modded), a clone of the EHX Bass Balls (also modded), a clone of the Boss DC-2 that's terrific, and a clone of the Boss AC-2 that is a bit wanting. They could have used TL074 quad op-amps, but chose to use TL064, which are noticeably hissier. The 64 does draw lass current than the 74, which lets a battery last longer. But how many players these days rely on batteries for anything other than vintage PNP germanium fuzzes with no external power jack? Behringer did produce clones of several of the Line 6 Tone Core pedals (Verbzilla, Echo Park, and Liqui-Flange), not that long after Line 6 released them, though I was never sure if it was simply a ripoff or a licensed clone. Mind you, given their subsequent behaviour, I doubt whether it was a licensed clone.

Whatever ethical lines have been crossed, they have been a godsend to synth enthusiasts, by resurrecting a ton of "classics" from the 70s and 80s that normally command Klon Centaur kinds of prices...IF you can find any still-working units for sale. The original manufacturers are either out of business, or else disinclined to reissue those models. Say what you will, but Behringer is largely responsible for many obsolete chips coming back, letting folks be able to buy new analog delays, flangers, and chorus pedals, as well as reissuing and creating a market for the chips people need to keep those vintage classics functioning, as well as form the basis of products by non-Behringer companies. They're not the only company producing those chips these days, but largely kickstarted it, through their Coolaudio subsidiary. Reticon doesn't exist anymore, and Panasonic stopped producing delay chips 30 years ago (although Mike Matthews seemed to have bought every last MN3005 chip on earth to keep the Memory Man alive, until the XVive company started making them again).

 

You should start a YouTube channel called "Professor Pedals". You'd be very popular.

 

L&M now carries the Behringer clone of the Mu-Tron Biphase for $139, and the Mu-Tron Octave Divider for $84. I don't know why or how they can list these things for such low prices.

Thanks for the heads up! The L&M prices for the two Mu-Tron units you mentioned are about as low as it gets. (Free shipping too... 🙂)

When Behringer started producing clones (more or less), of hard to obtain vintage analog synths, they also included some useful modern features, (MIDI/Software Librarian, extra CV control).

Behringer analog synths/modules are pretty hard to resist if you are a synth enthusiast of modest means.

I think the Neutron is an original Behringer design, (Analog hybrid), and it holds it's own. It would be interesting to see what else Behringer could come up with in the way of "original" synths.

 

I have to wonder if those Bi-Phases are available in Europe. The E.U. rightly banned cadmium, and the vast majority of photocells (which a Bi-Phase has 12 of) are cadmium-sulfide-based. If course, photocells don't use a lot of it, are tiny and sealed to begin with, and people are unlikely to be sending their Mu-Tron units or Chase Bliss pedals to landfill any time within the next 30 years, but that's not likely to be a persuasive argument to environmental regulators. Manufacturers who rely on photocells are looking for replacements. Sometimes they can be found, but at other times, the specific properties of commercially available cadmium-based LDRs do not readily permit drop-in replacements that employ other compounds.

We are too often quick to point fingers at the people whose names we know, and overlook the substantially more numerous people we are unaware of, who may play a large role in the things that displease us. I'm fairly confident that, while they may well have final signoff on things, the CEOs of large corporations, and leaders of parties/countries, are not making ALL the decisions, because there is simply not enough time in the day for that. People, advisors, and occasionally boards of directors, hand them strong suggestions, and those get acted on, because they seem plausible enough. We can certainly be disappointed in the final decisions that are made by the people we know of, but we shouldn't think of them as endlessly thinking up new plans to screw us, and/or smaller businesses, over.

I understand that Loblaw's will be experimenting with a store format in the GTA that ONLY sells No-Name goods. This will preclude any fresh produce or meat, though I imagine it could include a freezer section for No-Name perogies, peas and corn, and burgers, etc. Some folks have lots of money to spend (or are perhaps more tolerant of big credit card debt), but others need to rely on No-Name...the same way some folks need to have cheap Behringer stuff available.

 

Sure, BUT there are other brands, and it can be done better. Has been done better. Also there's the used market. The other important point is that pedals have never been this cheap (and somehow we all managed to have them when we were broke teens/students) - even a used DOD cost more and we were paying in 90s dollars vs 2024 dollars.

You also missed the mark re leadership. True, they do not make all the decisions, BUT, they set the direction, the high level strategy and biz practice, and so therefore the decisions of their subordinates are in line with that - must be, or they will be fired/punished/not able to advance. The problem further is, and we know this from history and studying organizational behaviour, that the subordinates, based on the reward system and blinded by personal ambition/fear, can often be more zealous/tenacious in following big picture directives than those leaders. Ultimately, the leadership is accountable, legally, rationally etc because there is an approval structure in place, even if some (most) individual decisions never make it to the top, the management structure exists so that all these decisions are in line with the direction from the top. Delegation is not absolution from responsibility.

 

 

Money being one of THE most uninteresting things in the world to me, the accountant's document didn't make all that much sense. Two things stand out, though. First Uli IS the chair of the board of directors, so he bears more responsibility than I had thought. Not ALL of it, but more than I had thought. Second, I recall seeing a Youtube tour through the Behringer manufacturing village in China, that had multiple plants, and even residences for workers. Yet the document indicates a grand total of just over 240 employees. Really? Were those nimble hands in the video simply moved from building to building, to make it look like a huge workforce, like that scene in the movie "The Grand Seduction"? Or was the workforce reduced at some point. Then there's that conspicuously round number of 11M DKK for "other staff costs".

Weird.

 

Creative lawyers and accountants.

 

Money being one of THE most uninteresting things in the world to me, the accountant's document didn't make all that much sense. Two things stand out, though. First Uli IS the chair of the board of directors, so he bears more responsibility than I had thought. Not ALL of it, but more than I had thought.

Well, by that document they have three directors... Ulrich Bernhard Behringer, a woman who goes by the single name "Santria" and Casper Nørklit Thingholm. We know Uli. Caspar is Danish and seems to come from the t.c. Electronics side of things. I don't know any details of how Behringer's head company acquired t.c., but I'm guessing the owners of t.c. took some Behringer stock and that's why Caspar is on the board. No idea about Santria, except some other filings online suggest she's the CEO.

Second, I recall seeing a Youtube tour through the Behringer manufacturing village in China, that had multiple plants, and even residences for workers. Yet the document indicates a grand total of just over 240 employees. Really? Were those nimble hands in the video simply moved from building to building, to make it look like a huge workforce, like that scene in the movie "The Grand Seduction"? Or was the workforce reduced at some point. Then there's that conspicuously round number of 11M DKK for "other staff costs".

I assume they contract out. Those workers were probably employed by the Chinese contractor.

 

No idea about Santria

Apparently, she resigned.

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The executives don't stay long.

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No kidding when they say the music industry is tough...I thought the high-tech industry was volatile.

 

I remember seeing something about Behringer that showed the company had a city all of its own, they ran production and housed all the people along with their families.

Still very surprised to hear that L&M won't be carrying Line 6 products.

 

Cosmo is having a sale on Behringer products right now.

 

Yes, on the ones they still have. Anxious to get hold of one of the CZ-101 clones Behringer had in production, I would check the Cosmo site regularly, to see if it was in and posted. Contacting their support desk a few months ago, I was told that they were expecting a shipment from Behringer in the fall. However, most of the synth stuff I would regularly see has disappeared, and some of the things they did have in stock were marked down. I gather this is inventory clearance, and the shipment is not coming in. Sometimes the service desak is not fully in the loop.

 

I was going to suggest Music Tribes ebay store however, it looks like all their listings have been removed.

 

Thanks for the offer. For now, I have what I need from Uli.

 

People rag on Behringer and hate them to no end.
I got a 1124P Feedback Destroyer Pro, usually used in PA's for feedback suppression, but I use the 1124P's 12 parametric Eq after my two 31 band Eq's, to handle the frequencies my two 31 band Eq's don't control.
Bought it in 2002, never failed.

Someone gave me a plastic Behringer AM100 Acoustic Modeler, very good sounding, pretty much a Boss AC2, but blended in my set up much better than the Boss AC2.

Uli Behringer, keep up the good work !!!!

 

Someone gave me a plastic Behringer AM100 Acoustic Modeler, very good sounding, pretty much a Boss AC2, but blended in my set up much better than the Boss AC2.

I have one of those. And while it does what it is supposed to do, it is hissier than it needs to be, because of their chip choices. They used chips that offer longer battery life (i.e., low current draw), but at the cost of greater noise levels. Boss chose lower-noise chips,

 

I think that they are more reliable now than they once were. When they first started cloning Mackie mixers and such, they were notoriously unreliable. I am still reluctant to use their PA gear for anything that is mission critical. EQ, compression, etc is fine because I can usually get by without it, but if someone offer me a gig using one of their mixers, I'll probably bring my own.

 

Dude, like 90% of new installs (including updates of the systems in small clubs) are X32 based digital systems.

A tragedy, I agree.

 

For a long time the Behringer vibrato pedal had a lot of positive reviews in terms of sound but the housing wasn't very good, as many of their stomp boxes. Secondary market companies were swapping guts into reliable metal housings as a service, along with some minor component tweaks to lower the floor noise. I tried one, very good. It was a Boss copy I believe.