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Dilemma about a potential purchase.

3.9K views 66 replies 26 participants last post by  Rollin Hand  
#1 ·
Yeah, whiny indecision post, I know....

An internet friend picked up a new guitar recently, and it's one I have wanted since it came out. He is basically ecstatic about how good it is out of the box.

I have a line on one of these guitars used for what I consider to be a fair price. Not cheap, but fair. There is enough money in the gear fund for this. I have danced around buying one since they came out, and even got Mrs. Hand's OK before talking myself out of it.

The trick is, I kind of want to build a replica. If I went "cost is no object" the price would likely work out the same. If I just bought the parts that I don't already have, it would be a LOT cheaper, but free time is a problem for me, and I already have a snootful of projects sitting in the basement gathering dust. My 5150 build took years. The kids and the house mean I just have too many other priorities.

I am also thinking about other expenses like new windows in the spring, et al.

Probably the wrong forum to ask, because guitar folks are usually in the "just buy the damn thing" camp, but it's a fair amount of money on something that would not get the most use. But gosh I like it. And yes, it would be returnable

Just writing this talked me out of it a little. But not completely.

Thoughts?
 
#14 · (Edited)
Unlikely. this is the best price that I have seen in Canada

Whenever I am in similar conundrum, my dear wife would say:
"Imagine it is sold and you can't get it anymore. How do you feel?"

If you feel sad or angry that you didn't get it - there is your answer.
If you relieved that you didn't get it - even better answer :D
I am ambivalent enough that I won't be crushed, I don't think. I don't fret to much about what I don't have.

If your asking, you already know you don't want to do it.

Sure it is nice to splurge on things that make us happy, especially when we can do it right now bit you already have a plan. Stick to that plan. You will probably appreciate it more if you make it, if you don't have the time to make it, you won't have the time to play it (and your other guitars) and hell man, windows might suck but they will save you enough money to buy MORE guitars.

That's my two cents anyhow
You might be right. My excitement waned considerably after sleeping on it last night.

Which would you regret more....never buying it and having, or buying it and wishing you didn't? This isn't something we can decide for you. If it's a bucket list or short list item, how would you feel down the road skipping it because a bunch of other internet guys said to? I say if it's a real deep desire, then you should get it and then you'll know whether it was the right choice.
The desire is real, but not super deep. This is not like the Jack Butler guitar, where I was all-in the second I saw it and it wasn't a $4k custom shop job.

  • I have wanted since it came out
  • Not cheap, but fair
  • There is enough money in the gear fund
  • got Mrs. Hand's OK
  • free time is a problem for me
  • gosh I like it
  • it would be returnable

That sounds like a whole bunch of "go buy the damn thing" to me. Windows schmindows, you can't jam on windows!
Yes, but the house does need the windows, to the tune of 10+ times the cost of the guitar.

I'm of the "Just buy the dam thing" camp. If it costs the same to build a replica then it would be a no brainer for me. I'd rather spend time playing a guitar than building one or setting it up. But thats me. If you like to tinker and create you might have fun building a replica.
As stated, I can do the replica on the cheap (provided Duplicolor doesn't go up too much again), or for the similar price as buying it. Part of me wants to see how cheap I can do it well. I have many of the parts. It just comes down to time, and clearing the decks of other projects.

I am still waffling like the good folks at Eggo.
 
#4 ·
If your asking, you already know you don't want to do it.

Sure it is nice to splurge on things that make us happy, especially when we can do it right now bit you already have a plan. Stick to that plan. You will probably appreciate it more if you make it, if you don't have the time to make it, you won't have the time to play it (and your other guitars) and hell man, windows might suck but they will save you enough money to buy MORE guitars.

That's my two cents anyhow
 
#5 ·
Which would you regret more....never buying it and having, or buying it and wishing you didn't? This isn't something we can decide for you. If it's a bucket list or short list item, how would you feel down the road skipping it because a bunch of other internet guys said to? I say if it's a real deep desire, then you should get it and then you'll know whether it was the right choice.
 
#15 ·
My rationale about guitars is that "I need another guitar like I need a hole in the head." I only have two arms, so I can't really rationale the amount that I have at the moment, let alone the excuse that I need another one. What is it going to give me that the other 14 aren't? I do like having the options to play different ones when I am in the mood, however at the end of the day, playing the ones I do have basically gives me the same amount of joy. I am not saying "don't" buy it, as it's your money, but rather what are you not getting from your other guitars that requires you to have this one?
 
#16 ·
It really depends on what the guitar is.

If I approve of you buying that make and model, then you must buy it. If it's a guitar I don't care for, then you should heed my advice and not buy it, but buy a make and model I do approve of. Since you haven't told us what the guitar is, I say buy it, then later if I don't approve you must sell it.
 
#24 ·
You're not going to buy it.
If you really were seriously jonesing to buy the guitar and you found one at a price you thought was fair we would be reading an NGD thread.
We all know what GAS is.
You're not fooling anybody.
You're daydreaming about a guitar; not gassing.
I know. I do it all the time.
Lately it's been about amp stuff.
 
#25 ·
Well, as much as I love to build guitars, pretty much from scratch, I know it takes TIME. With your current occupations, the fact that this build would be difficult (Are there plans you can get the detail every minute detail of the Frankenstrat?), and that you may be passing a good opportunity, I would say it would take you at least four to six months to complete a decent guitar like that, depending on how fussy you are, and how good you are. Assuming you are an experienced guitar builder who can spend at least three hours per week on it, you'll be building for a while (are we talking a full ground-up build or ordering components and assembling them? because it makes a huge difference?) I would say whatever, if you want to enjoy this now, I say,

JUMP!
 
#27 ·
How long will it take you to make the money again vs how often do you see these? I kick myself a lot for not buying an EBMM St Vincent when they were released, cause theyve just gotten harder to find in Canada, and 5 years later I know I would have got over the financial hit. You’re not saying guitar vs windows, you’re saying need to recoup cost of guitar when also getting windows. Seems like you should buy unless the amount is such that you’re gonna miss that cash in a year or two
 
#37 ·
Not sure how much of that is speculation. Ed's idea of practice was a 6 of Schlitz Malt Talls, a pack of smokes, a guitar and an amp. As much as I love Ed, he was absolutely crushed most of the time.

As for building....I agree with you, but it isn't much of a tribute if a half-painted body is sitting in a box until both my kids are teenagers is it? That 5150 you lowered the nut shelf on took me 4 years, off and on. A Franky would be harder as there is a lot more detail work.

The budget Frankie build feels like the most honest answer, as the original wasn't a high-dollar effort.

Or maybe I should take my wife's initial suggestion and do both.
 
#53 ·
Well what if u bought the guitar and you weren't the envy of the neibourhood then return it right I bet it's that Noel Gallagher guitar just buy it record urself playing Wonderwall then return it and send a copy of that tape to me so I can put it online for good lol and all the lights that led me here were blinding
 
#56 ·
Did some fast math. Shipping included where not listed.

Body: (KNE Guitars): $170 USD (Northern Ash) plus $65 shipping= $320 CDN
Neck: To either match the replica's neck (quartersawn maple, carbon rods, 12-16 radius) or just buy one outright: $550 CDN + $94 shipping= $644
Bridge: Schaller Lockmaster: ~$290 CDN (a 1000-series Floyd isn't cheap enough to make it worthwhile by comparison).
Pickup: Jalen 78 is about $170 CDN. Can do better than that, so we'll call it $140 CDN
Switch: apparently about $80 if reliced. I am sure I could get a similar switch and do it for $40
Neck pickup: looking at $80 to get close.
Paint: Each can is $22 at CT. Call it $100 all in.
Pickguard: get something off AliExpress or Amazon and cut it myself, $15
Pot: $10
D-Tuna: $80

Total (and I am sure I am forgetting a few things) is around $1720.

To do it well on the cheap.

Body: (KNE Guitars): $170 USD plus $65 shipping= $320 CDN
Neck: Mighty Mite I have on hand, with tuners and nut.
Bridge: GFS Heavy Duty, plus some upgrades= $160 after their egregious shipping
Pickup: BYOGuitar Eruption -- call it $100 after shipping. Good pickup.
Switch: $40
Neck Pickup: Poorly painted single coil....call it $5 for paint.
Paint: Each can is $22 at CT. Call it $100 all in.
Pickguard: get something off AliExpress or Amazon and cut it myself, $15
Pot: $10
D-Tuna: $80
Total is around $830.

Yes, I am sure there is room to move higher or lower on some of these items -- these were prices I was able to find quickly.

And for sure, I could get the cheaper option done for less if I lowered my standards. $600 (not including the neck and tuners) should be possible.

But $1720....all of a sudden paying a bit more (the used one was $2K) to have it delivered to you seems more reasonable.
 
#58 ·
So here's the thing:
-The used one already has the depreciation built in. It's not going to get any more discounted than it currently is on the used market. So if you decide to part with it later you'll probably get at least what you paid for out of it.
-The parts build will be worth probably 50% of what it costs you for all the parts should you try and sell it later.

So yes, they're similar cost to get into today, but one of these will lose half your investment later should you ever sell it.