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Vegans/vegetarians can suck it!

38K views 496 replies 63 participants last post by  laristotle  
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#19 ·
I don't really see Monkfish around here much, but it's pretty popular in a lot of places overseas.

And, I think this thread was meant to be light hearted. There's 'shit talking' like people will do with pretty much everything, and then full on malice. I really don't think anything serious was meant. People need to be respectful, but people also need to lighten the hell up and not go too far the other way. There's a nice balance right in the middle.
 
#15 · (Edited)
I am about as carnivorous as you get. But this shit talking Vegans and Vegetarians is a bunch of bigoted CRAP. Just like you have alt-right hardcore religious fundamentalists, there are going to be similar hardcore Vegans. But that is not reason paint all them with same intolerant hateful brush. Sometimes I feel like eating Vegan if only to piss off the "I eat steak for dinner every night and let's get all liquored up and go out and shoot anything that ain't like us" red-neck yahoos which I hope are a minority like the hardcore Vegans,...I hope. Geezuz.
 
#26 ·
I had a major parameter shift when my kids took their former rancher father to Turf in Vancouver last year. One of the downright tastiest meals of my entire life and you can even order protein sides.

FOOD
I am not vegetarian or vegan. I made an effort to cut my meat intake by about 2/3's. I have told my vegan friends, the best way to show people your point of view is to take them out for food. Good vegan and vegetarian cooking is fantastic. I already knew that, I just chose to eat more of it and learn to cook it. On a basic level, even have someone try a Beyond Burger lol. They are great.

But, to the people who say militant vegans aren't a thing. One of long time friends who is vegan told me that reducing my meat consumption was 'useless' and 'not good enough' . So if you want to know why people get discouraged or even angry, there's your answer. There's nothing worse than doing something which you think you are doing to better your own health or help your environment, and being then insulted for it. That's obviously not saying every vegan or vegetarian has this attitude. But you can probably see why an interaction like that would stick in someone's mind if it happened to them. And yes, it goes both ways. But I find it's the vegans who seem to deny this even goes on.

If people spent more time encouraging people, it sure would be a nicer world.
 
#28 ·
I like vegetables. I like fruit. I don't like fish, or pretty much anything out of the ocean, apart from seaweed salad. I don't eat much meat, but enjoy it when I do; mostly chicken. I like dairy but it doesn't like me.

Our older son has gone "keto", while our younger son is a "flexitarian". He goes pretty much vegan when preparing his own food back at his apartment, but eats what is served when visiting us or invited to someone's home. He likes meat, but it doesn't like him. I ramp up the vegetarian offerings when he's visiting.

As for the clickbait chart, rankings are often misleading. Moreover what an individual foodstuff has on its own (and remember that these were assays of raw foods) is separate from what it contributes to daily nutritional needs. You will note that pork fat was NOT on the linked-to article on heart health. That said, there's nothing wrong with liking what you like.
 
#40 ·
There's various trendy names and variations of that type of diet. But it's a really simple way to eat. I am not completely strict on any diet at the moment, but I generally go no sugar and no dairy, avoid most packaged foods, and the difference I feel is amazing. I don't completely eliminate gluten, I just make sure I only eat good sources of it. And I actually am allergic to wheat, it's not a trendy thing for me. I always figured it was more the horrid bleached white flours used in most of our foods though, and when I stuck to only occasionally eating good sourced products, I had no issues.

The diet is not restrictive though. I know people find cutting dairy out hard, but once you do it it's really easy. And I am someone who likes it. As for sugar, the results you see when you cut it out make that easy too. But you can eat some fruit, all the veg you want, and good meats. And as you mentioned, you need to make sure you are getting healthy fats, which is a key. That's not really a tough diet.

My policy is that if I go out for a night with friends, I just do what I want diet wise. At home, I just stick to basics.
 
#32 ·
The few very close friends that I do have know I am a vegetarian and go out of their way to accommodate me. I really do appreciate their efforts. If I go out to socialize and they haven’t a clue as to what I eat, I will eat bread, cheese whatever isn’t a meat product. I am very polite about the situation.

I did get a little sad this year while cooking the turkey for my family. It’s my problem not theirs because they choose to eat meat.

I did go to someone’s house last week and had some Butternut squash soup that contained bacon as they didn’t know my preferences. I just politely spit it in a napkin and even though the soup was tainted, I still ate it. I am far from a hardcore, pushy vegetarian.
 
#45 ·
The few very close friends that I do have know I am a vegetarian and go out of their way to accommodate me. I really do appreciate their efforts. If I go out to socialize and they haven’t a clue as to what I eat, I will eat bread, cheese whatever isn’t a meat product. I am very polite about the situation.

I did get a little sad this year while cooking the turkey for my family. It’s my problem not theirs because they choose to eat meat.

I did go to someone’s house last week and had some Butternut squash soup that contained bacon as they didn’t know my preferences. I just politely spit it in a napkin and even though the soup was tainted, I still ate it. I am far from a hardcore, pushy vegetarian.
Yet you refer to your soup as "tainted" and refer to what humans have been doing for thousands of years as "they choose to eat meat". To me that sounds like you consider yourself somewhat superior to the 90.4% of us Canadian meat-eaters ;)
 
#50 ·
Friend of mine from HS was a vegetarian and a bit lofty about it even back then. He’s a good all round musician kept at it all his life; also still into the vegetables. Saw him again recently and we jammed a bit. He had a Taylor guitar and when he handed it to me he announced in a reverent whisper that it had John Pearce strings on it. I played the guitar for a bit; it didn’t sound good and it was obvious that the strings were really old and scuzzed up pretty bad so I asked if he’d been eating fish and chips a lot lately. Anyway, I don’t know if it was the vegetarian diet or the John Pearce strings but he’d got really fat since I last saw him.