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After a few days of testing and measuring the people from Cytomic created a preset for their Tube Screamer plugin "The Scream" that sounds to me like an exact replica of my own TS9 so a bit for fun and a bit to show them my appreciation for such a generous detail I made a simple video comparison. Of course my opinion is too much biased so I would like to ask for your opinion: would you say they did get close? Thx
 

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Close from what I can hear. I hear the analog vs the digital difference, analog being 'warmer' sounding. Although I admit I won't be able to tell if it is one or the other in a recording.
 

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Although I admit I won't be able to tell if it is one or the other in a recording.
I just want to say that recording is the only time it will really matter though. If you cant tell in a mix, it's doing its job IMO.
 

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I can't tell the difference but again I'm biased and I know the answers of the blind comparison at the end so my opinion doesn't count. Another cause for any difference could be an unintentional favour over one or another on the playing. I will eventually record a new video using a looper or a pre recorded track as a sound source with matched input gain (this one was by ear). Thanks for your comments!

I forgot to mention, there is a blind comparison at the very end of the video
 

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I have to admit (and I was talking about this a minute ago in the comments) that 3 days ago I wouldn't replace my tube Screamer with a plugin under any circumstances, now I'm planning to reamp some tracks.
 
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It would be interesting to hear this Scream plugin compared to some of the free tube screamer/OD plugins available.
 

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It would be interesting to hear this Scream plugin compared to some of the free tube screamer/OD plugins available.
There is one on Guitar Rig 5 (not free) called Screamer but I never tried it because I had a TS9. I've since traded it in to L&M to help purchase my Seagull 12 string. Got $150 last year which was more than I had paid for it 5 or 6 years earlier. I'll be looking into this one if and when I need the TS9 sound.
 

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I'm planning to make a comparison (again) with all the TS plugins I have, so far my favourite was the free one from Mercuriall, it will be interesting to compare it against the Scream.
 

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Now that I can finally listen to it, it sounds pretty close. In fact, if one took any two Tube Screamers, the component tolerances would likely make them sound a little different, so I'm not bothered by whatever minimal differences I can hear between the analog and plug-in versions here.

Of course, what is missing is the opportunity to hear the plug-in pushing an amp, which is where the TS traditionally shines.
 

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Of course, what is missing is the opportunity to hear the plug-in pushing an amp, which is where the TS traditionally shines.
I can do that (with amp simulators of course). I will also make a comparison with all the other TS plugins I have. These videos are difficult to make but they are fun and useful which count most.

They were ready to measure the components of my Tubescreamer but it is not a good idea to ship a pedals to Australia and back. Still I had to process a lot of white noise and sine/saw/etc tracks through it so they had enough data to make the model.
 

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I can do that (with amp simulators of course). I will also make a comparison with all the other TS plugins I have. These videos are difficult to make but they are fun and useful which count most.

They were ready to measure the components of my Tubescreamer but it is not a good idea to ship a pedals to Australia and back. Still I had to process a lot of white noise and sine/saw/etc tracks through it so they had enough data to make the model.
Even if they lived in the unit next door to you Andrei, every TS-9 is just a tiny bit different because of Ibanez's use of "normal" components with normal tolerances/variation.

One should also never mistake where the pointer is on a control knob with the actual value on the pot. For example, if I pull a 20k pot from my parts drawer right now, I may find that it measures 18.7k or 20.9k. I may also find that when I set it to the midpoint, that total resistance might be divided up exactly 50%/50%, but could just as likely be 44%/56% or something else. This is always a good source for getting a sense of normal variation in pots: The Secret Life of Pots

The nominal specifications of the parts are generally averages, aimed for over hundreds of thousands of parts of the same stated value. It IS possible to make components that are VERY close to their stated value, or simply select components, based on measurement, that are precisely the value they say they are, but that would more than triple the selling price of a new pedal.

So what is my point? A plug-in could use a specific example of a pedal (e.g., SRV's favourite TS-9) as the benchmark for emulation, but if the goal is to emulate a particular design (TS-9 vs SD-1) rather than particular example, I wouldn't worry too much about tiny audible differences. If anything, that's more realistic, right? That's why I thought that the option to shape the high and low end at several different points would be useful for producing what a given player considers to be a "good TS-9".
 

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Yes, but is was my TS what they made me measure for this preset. When the MOD switch is off the pedal is a regular TS but when the mod is on you can change the values of the components and that's what they did to match my pedal in specific. The plugin (this preset specifically) should sound pretty close to mine (which sounds very different from the newest ts)
 

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It sounds fine.
Enjoy.
Nobody in the bar watching and listening is going to notice any difference.
Probably not even any musicians who might be present because the differences between their hands and yours would be greater than between your sim and your pedal.
With the rest of your band playing with you any fine nuances of tone that might be missing won't be noticed at all.
Just go out and play.
Most guitarists spend too much time obsessing over the tiniest minutia of their sound when in fact they're the only ones who notice.
You are far closer than just being "in the ballpark".
 
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After a few days of testing and measuring the people from Cytomic created a preset for their Tube Screamer plugin "The Scream" that sounds to me like an exact replica of my own TS9 so a bit for fun and a bit to show them my appreciation for such a generous detail I made a simple video comparison. Of course my opinion is too much biased so I would like to ask for your opinion: would you say they did get close? Thx
sounds excellent.cool riffs to boot!
 
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