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I'm hoping to have pedal makers give some advice.

Is it possible to clone a Timmy into a small enclosure? If so, and you build, can you make me one?

Apparently, they are great with tweed amps.
 

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Tone city Kaffir lime. This is supposed to be almost the same as a timmy and its in the smaller box. Most of the other clones use the same size enclosure as the timmy
 
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Tone city Kaffir lime. This is supposed to be almost the same as a timmy and its in the smaller box. Most of the other clones use the same size enclosure as the timmy
I'm reading that it's based on a ts.
 

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Timmys are also based on a TS. And yes it can be made small.
I revived a thread on tgp where Paul C chimed in stating his is an original design. Everyone concurred saying his design was genius.

I'm not educated at all about this stuff, so maybe I misread.
 

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Yes, a Timmy is a unique design from Cochrane and in no way inspired or related to a TS - except that they are both analog guitar pedals. If you understand how the Timmy's controls work, this becomes obvious. I even wonder how close any of those clones are - if the controls don't work the same, I don't think they're a clone.

Everyone talks about the Coolcat TOD V1 being a Timmy clone but I don't believe it is (I own both and I've A/B'd them myself). Maybe it is sonically similar but the controls don't work the same. Part of the magic of the Timmy is those controls and where they are inserted in the signal chain.

The Timmy is my favorite drive/overdrive pedal. And they same size as your delay and booster. You should just get a real one. They aren't even expensive by boutique standards.
 

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It's funny, when you read descriptions about Timmy, most say it is based on the TS design, but when you ask Paul C, it isn't even close. I wouldn't know since I can't read a schematic. All I know is the pedal is on my board and rarely turned off. And I agree less then 200 CDN for an overdrive is cheap compared to most other boutique stuff.
(a new zendrive will cost you 400 by the time taxes and shipping are done)

There is also another clone in a small enclosure called the Mosky. The clones are about 100.
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I have the ditto pedal and the Timmy side by side and the Timmy doesn't really take up much more space than the mini enclosure. Also the Timmy is very stackable, which is why I am trying to find a zendrive or simble .

You can also buy stacked clones, I've seen a Timmy/zen, a zen/Timmy dual voltage 9 and 18v!) a Timmy/Timmy, Timmy/morning glory, the list goes on. The zen into the Timmy is just wow
 

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It's funny, when you read descriptions about Timmy, most say it is based on the TS design, but when you ask Paul C, it isn't even close.
Those same people will tell you a tag-board amp is 'PTP'. They hear something and they regurgitate.
 

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Yes, a Timmy is a unique design from Cochrane and in no way inspired or related to a TS - except that they are both analog guitar pedals. If you understand how the Timmy's controls work, this becomes obvious. I even wonder how close any of those clones are - if the controls don't work the same, I don't think they're a clone.

Everyone talks about the Coolcat TOD V1 being a Timmy clone but I don't believe it is (I own both and I've A/B'd them myself). Maybe it is sonically similar but the controls don't work the same. Part of the magic of the Timmy is those controls and where they are inserted in the signal chain.

The Timmy is my favorite drive/overdrive pedal. And they same size as your delay and booster. You should just get a real one. They aren't even expensive by boutique standards.
I'm probably going to get a real one, since finding a small one seems impossible. The mosky won't cut it based on my limited research. I need the pedal to behave with my tweed champ, and the timmy is highly recommended. IMO, there's a big difference between sounding like a pedal and behaving like one too.

The reason I'm going for small is that I want to fit three small pedals in the back of the champ and out of the way.
 

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There are some unique elements to a Timmy. But if you look at the schematic it's very similar to a striped down TS. He basically took away the buffers changed up the clipping section and added some simple eq.
Not bashing it at all. I'm sure it sounds great. And the importance thing is you guys enjoy it.
The good news is there are not a bunch of parts so it's a good candidate to miniuturize.
 

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I'm probably going to get a real one, since finding a small one seems impossible. The mosky won't cut it based on my limited research. I need the pedal to behave with my tweed champ, and the timmy is highly recommended. IMO, there's a big difference between sounding like a pedal and behaving like one too.

The reason I'm going for small is that I want to fit three small pedals in the back of the champ and out of the way.
Maybe buy a cheap analog mini-delay and use it instead of your larger one? I don't think they sound that bad (for $30) but you may be fussier than I wrt delays.

And if you buy a Timmy, read the 1 pager instruction manual. His explanation of the control operations is excellent.
 
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I stole this off another forum. Simple explanation as to how different the TS is from the Timmy

"The TS kills all the bass before any gain is applied. After that, it kills much of the treble, but then has what is an active treble booster at higher settings! Someone was pointing out at another forum that the TS and similar pedals were created during a time when guitarists used big and loud amps, and the TS was designed around that, for cutting through the clutter.

The Timmy allows you to cut the bass right at the gain stage as you up the drive level. Or you can "cut less" at lower settings where it is intended to act "more like" a booster and less like an OD.

The Timmy cuts treble just like a Rat does, right after the distortion/gain/clipping stage. It is not active like a TS. Again, you typically want to cut more at higher dirt levels, as the upper frequencies become more prevalent and piercing.

The second gain stage in the Timmy is nothing more than a boost stage that doesn't add any clipping.

One of the most important things to take away from the Timmy design (IMO) is that the tone controls are passive - they only subtract. This is why Paul calls them cut controls, and has seemed to wire them "backwards." "
 

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There are some unique elements to a Timmy. But if you look at the schematic it's very similar to a striped down TS. He basically took away the buffers changed up the clipping section and added some simple eq.
Not bashing it at all. I'm sure it sounds great. And the importance thing is you guys enjoy it.
The good news is there are not a bunch of parts so it's a good candidate to miniuturize.
So it's a ts with a different and more complicated EQ, a different clipping section, no mid hump and no buffers. I think anything from a Boss OD1 to a Souldfood to an OCD is closer. Every overdrive or distortion pedal has some things in common.
 

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Maybe buy a cheap analog mini-delay and use it instead of your larger one? I don't think they sound that bad (for $30) but you may be fussier than I wrt delays.

And if you buy a Timmy, read the 1 pager instruction manual. His explanation of the control operations is excellent.
I've recently bought a TC mini HOF. I'll be getting a TC mini delay, and now I just need to line up the dirt.
 

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Here is a ditto mini pedal on top of a timmy, not much difference
 

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I've recently bought a TC mini HOF. I'll be getting a TC mini delay, and now I just need to line up the dirt.
Ahhh, you want all mini-pedals. Gotcha. If you find a good small one for a reasonable price, let me know. I'd be interested in one, too.
 
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For shits and giggles I opened the back of the timmy to see whats inside, and if it wasn't for the battery and the PCB shape, you could put it in a smaller enclosure. I'm not sure if the pots were mounted to the pcb or not. I'm sure someone could make a copy that would fit in a mini, but the 4 knobs and a 3 way switch on a mini does not leave much real estate.
 
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