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I believe in "Applying the Board of education to the seat of understanding."

If God didnt believe in spanking, why did he give us so much jiggly flesh on our gluteus maximus?

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the word Glueteus even sounds like spanking terminilogy...think about it haha!!!
 

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If I had to pick a side of the fence to stand on I would be all for not hitting your kids. I don't hit my kids, but I also don't care if someone else chooses to use physical disipline on theirs (within reason of course), it's realy none of my business how other parents choose to reer their children.

On the other hand, it has always been taught in my family that if you are physically threatened or you witness a family member, female, elderly or defensless person being threatened then the gloves come off regardless of your chances of winning or loosing. I was also taught not to start a fight for no good reason. I've passed this onto my boys and it has allready caused some issues with the school board, just as it did when I was younger.

I guess I've been taught that you only unleash violence on bad people, and I don't consider my kids or family members to be bad people.

Spanking a child in a diciplinary manner, I don't really consider violent as long as the parent hasn't lost their cool. I always picture a spanking as something you would get when your father gets home, not an instantanious response in the heat of the moment.
 
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I thought this was going to be a thread about spanking and popping. There was a great article in Guitar Player about this a few months ago. There's a series of video lessons here with Jude Gold. I dig the baritone he's using in those lessons.
 

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iaresee said:
I thought this was going to be a thread about spanking and popping. There was a great article in Guitar Player about this a few months ago. There's a series of video lessons here with Jude Gold. I dig the baritone he's using in those lessons.
now that is one kind of spanking I wouldnt mind receiving haha.
 

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more than a few times my father scared the crap out of me when he`d lose his temper. He did hit me sometimes and other times just kinda shake me around not to mention the things he said...and thats why I don`t have kids...too afraid I`d do the same thing.
Over here parents hit their kids on the head, usually on the top with a pretty hard slap, sometimes it`s just a very light tap when they`re kidding but when they get serious it`s hard... I don`t like it but what can I do, I`m just visiting.
My sister and her husband have never ever hit their kids and they`ve grown up to be really nice young adults so I don`t think it`s necessary to spank kids.
 

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I don't feel spanking is neccessary, in some cases I could be wrong but it never has resorted to that in my family . Authourity is neccessary, knowing who is in charge, the kids or the parents..... To many times today I see families where the kids are in charge....
 

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Times have changed so much since I was young. I was spanked, not regularly and never in the heat of the moment, usually it was the "when your father gets home" and only after I had continued to do something and regular punshiments hadn't worked. I don't feel they changed me for the worse. I've got five children, three fully grown and two still at home. My children certainly have had a tap on the bottom a time or two. I think there is merit for both ways of doing it. Of course I'm also from the time/area where when two fellows had a major disagreement, you went out side settled it, it was over and done and then you had a beer together, times have changed.

I've always been curious though, is the whole timeout/stand in a corner thing not really a type of physical as well as emotional discipline? You are confining the child to an area or restricting movement all together (physical..stand/sit still, don't move) as well as removing interaction with others (emotional).
 

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The Kicker Of Elves said:
I see your call for stats and studies and counter with the same. Where are the true scientific studies done with double blinds and administered by a neutral party that claim not-spanking children is the best method of rearing them? Good luck!

...sorry, but i asked you first. for me its simply a case of visualizing a full grown adult striking a small child and thinking: how can this be a good thing?

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I was spanked as a kid and my Dad was a cop. I got strapped at school a few times.. The local constabulary kicked my ass once.A long time ago.Then it was called dicipline and now it is physical abuse. go figure.
my 2 had a few cuffs when younger. and it worked for me and for them.I got their attention.
I was born in 1950, and my kids were growing up in the 70's. Today it is a different world. There are a larger number of kids today from "broken homes". Remember your parents saying that to explain someone elses kids behavior?
I can't count the number of times i have had to experience someone's small child acting out in the store and doing the tantrum thing. Believe me, I would of only got away with it once back then. Not even.
I think that a cuff now and then is OK. (not a beating)
Todays youngsters IMOH lack discipline, respect and even ethics. I believe TV , videos & games as well as not having a role model (broken home) are to blame. Imagine emulating someone from the ghetto and dressing like a jailbird.
"spare the rod and spoil the child"
maybe I'm getting old and grumpy.
by the way, most of the people I interact with that have children have used some type of limited physical deterent at some time and those kids that I see are awesome well behaved kids. Most often privaleges are suspended. That brings up the issue of bribery, by the way, isn't bribery immoral.

good luck to all of you who are now having to make these type of decisions. I am a new grandpa and have 2 tiny boys that i plan to spoil. maybe as a payback to my daughter LOL
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Sounds like a reply from someone who can't prove their pont of view?

...well, perhaps i wasn't obvious enough. it IS my point of view. in other words, and opinion. based upon a personal belief.

so what, exactly, would you like me to prove? that this really is my opinion?

also, for the record, my challenge was not to you personally, but to anyone in general.

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...well, perhaps i wasn't obvious enough. it IS my point of view. in other words, and opinion. based upon a personal belief.

so what, exactly, would you like me to prove? that this really is my opinion?

also, for the record, my challenge was not to you personally, but to anyone in general.

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I believe you were the one who started this topic, basically saying that parents who spank their children are barbarians and have poor parenting skills. If you are going to make an opinion like that, I believe you should have some facts ready to back up your opinion.

I have no facts for either side of the arguement and therefore accept both parenting styles. I believe they both work well!
 

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I believe you were the one who started this topic, basically saying that parents who spank their children are barbarians and have poor parenting skills. If you are going to make an opinion like that, I believe you should have some facts ready to back up your opinion.
I have no facts for either side of the arguement and therefore accept both parenting styles. I believe they both work well!

...fair enough, although i take exception to your paraphrasing of my original statement.

what i'm trying to find out is why people think that spanking a child is a good idea, much less a better idea than good communication.

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There are also many parents who succesfully raise their kids with physical discipline.
Exactly. Different people, different needs, different techniques.

What makes you think you're so right, David Henman? Usually you're pretty balanced on issues, but on this one you're really up there on a high horse, looking down on the "barbarians". And sure, we can split hairs on the paraphrasing of your original post, but I think it's pretty clear to everyone that if you describe corporal punishment as "barbaric", it's obviously barbarians that would deal out the punishment. I don't think that conclusion is a stretch by any means.

Also, you're being kind of hypocritical, because you dismissed ne1roc's request for you to provide some facts supporting your opinion, yet on the first page you asked GuitaristZ for proof of his theory about unruly kids.
 

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Also, you're being kind of hypocritical, because you dismissed ne1roc's request for you to provide some facts supporting your opinion, yet on the first page you asked GuitaristZ for proof of his theory about unruly kids.

...your charge of hypocrisy is misguided.

it is my opinion that striking a child is cruel, and serves no purpose other than to cause pain and humiliation. it is not a statement of fact which, i agree, would have to be supported in order to have any integrity.

guitaristz made a claim ("I see soo many kids today which aren't spanked, and they are the worst behaved generation yet.").

i was curious to find out how he would know if they have been spanked or not, not to mention if he can support his claim that "they are the worst behaved generation yet".

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What makes you think you're so right, David Henman? Usually you're pretty balanced on issues, but on this one you're really up there on a high horse, looking down on the "barbarians". And sure, we can split hairs on the paraphrasing of your original post, but I think it's pretty clear to everyone that if you describe corporal punishment as "barbaric", it's obviously barbarians that would deal out the punishment. I don't think that conclusion is a stretch by any means.
...perhaps, but it is still your conclusion, not mine.

we can go around and around on this all day, but i am still curious to know why people think that striking a child is a good idea, much less a better idea than seeking a clear understanding between parent and child through verbal communication.

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Hoo boy, let me add "Spanking" to the list of "Debates to Avoid on the Internet" along with Politics, Religion and Abortion.

We all could go back and forth on this for 50 pages and not settle it. The raising of children is a very personal thing, and two sides are NOT going to see common ground on it.
 

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Hoo boy, let me add "Spanking" to the list of "Debates to Avoid on the Internet" along with Politics, Religion and Abortion.
We all could go back and forth on this for 50 pages and not settle it. The raising of children is a very personal thing, and two sides are NOT going to see common ground on it.
...don't forget guns!

i've never seen one of these debates get "settled". its a learning process, hopefully.

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david henman said:
...perhaps, but it is still your conclusion, not mine.

we can go around and around on this all day, but i am still curious to know why people think that striking a child is a good idea, much less a better idea than seeking a clear understanding between parent and child through verbal communication.

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David, I never once spanked my own daughters but to be honest I've never been sure if that was a mistake, specifically when they were small.

The reason I say this is because when a child is small its brain is not developed enough to properly understand an oral argument. Yet it is vital that the child immediately respond properly to a parent's voice in the advent of danger!

Let me give a "ferinstance" here. Suppose you are trying to get your kids into the car (like trying to herd cats!) and your 4 year old walks onto the street in front of an oncoming car. The first thing you want to happen is for your child to immediately stop when you call to him! Better yet, have him immediately come back! At the very least, he should respond appropriately to give you a chance to retrieve him from the danger.

At that age, is there any point in having a nice "talk" in such situations?

When a child is just developing using a swat or two (NOT indiscriminate walloping!) will immediately make a point that the child will remember. Not as a conscious choice but as a reflex. Until the child has achieved enough years I would think that he CAN"T make such conscious choices!

I differed to my wife's beliefs when the girls were so small but frankly I was often terrified to take them out on the street! My girls DID act as if a loud call was merely a preliminary to a "discussion" and I kept an iron grip on them to make sure they didn't stray into danger. By the time they reached 6 or so it was no longer a problem. They were advanced enough to understand when I explained a danger.

Commanding instant obedience in such situations is the OBLIGATION of a responsible parent! I was lucky that we were never in a scary situation but if heaven forbid one of my children had been hurt or worse you can be certain that I would have not been proud to simply claim that "At least I never spanked them!"

I also find it curious that many advocates against spanking talk as if spanking were synonymous with abuse! I just can't accept that reasoning. Abuse is merely a cruel and violent act. A spanking is a conscious choice as a means to correct a child's behaviour. If one can't see the difference then I don't believe that one could think deeply enough to judge another parent.

What's more, I've been blessed with great kids! I know other parents not so fortunate. Kids are born with differing amounts of talent and brain power. So are parents, for that matter! There are some very obvious failures committing repeated break-ins in my neighbourhood. Would judicious spanking have been applicable in such situations?

I dunno, but what the parents DID do has resulted in obvious failure...
 

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The Kicker Of Elves said:
Hoo boy, let me add "Spanking" to the list of "Debates to Avoid on the Internet" along with Politics, Religion and Abortion.

We all could go back and forth on this for 50 pages and not settle it. The raising of children is a very personal thing, and two sides are NOT going to see common ground on it.
Ha Ha! Yeah, but these are kinda fun to get into once in awhile.........as long as things don't get nasty, and thankfully it didn't!

It was a great debate guys. Thanks for the fun!

Here's one, Gibson or Fender? None
 
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