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Was that Costco nationwide, never heard anything about that down here. May have missed it though
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If public pressured worked, this ghastly seal hunt would have ended 30 years ago! The majority of Canadians are against this hunt.hoser said:
I am one of them. I just love it when people say 'but it creates revenue'. So what!Slavery created revenue, too, that didn't make it right! That hunt needs to stop. It's a bloody embarrassment to Canadians everywhere. Danny Williams is doing a lousy job. If he really cared about his constituents, he'd be in there arguing for more money for his province to develop ethical ETHICAL industry in NL, not that backwoods crap that goes on now. He's not doing Newfoundlanders any favours by supporting the seal hunt. He's just perpetuating the image that they're a bunch of hicks. Not fair to them, not fair to the animals, not fair to the rest of Canadians. I've been to NL. It's beautiful. Develop tourism or something ethical. Create jobs for people that will allow them to hold their heads high.
And for those of you who think that the seals need to go because of the declining cod population, give your head a shake! The seals eat both cod as well as other fish that eat cod, so they actually contribute to a BALANCE. Overfishing has decreased the population of cod, not the seals. The seals are a scapegoat. And if you believe everything our government and the Dep of Fisheries says, give your head another shake. They're just lazy and don't want to invest the time or money it would take to develop the Eastern provinces. They're taking the easy way out.
Quoted from Emohawk....Second, on the celebrity issue. I see it this way. Most of the celebrity activists (the vocal ones anyway) are generally has-beens (McCartney & Bardot) or never-was types (Anderson). All they're doing is trying to give themselves some ligitimacy & make themselves more visible. It's all about the coin.
I doubt that the McCartneys need money, and they don't receive any money for any of the humane work they do. Linda McCartney was a long-time vegetarian and animal rights activist (are you old enough to remember her favourite little saying 'Don't eat anything with a face'?). Heather has similar values. I assure you both Paul and Heather do this because they want the world to be a better place for our kids to inherit, and for the animals who reside here. Oh, and yes, the McCartneys actually DO care about chickens, pigs, cows and all the other animals, even the ugly ones, that are caught up in factory farming.
Last but not least, when you know better, you DO better. Why would anyone want to cling to traditions that are cruel, ugly, barbaric, etc. Tradition should never involve cruelty. Why are people so afraid of progress?
link to stats please. anti sealers love to say this but is it actually true? I've seen polls that go both ways. There's no definitive data on it.Gilliangirl said:
are you seriously comparing the annual cull to human slavery?!? Or are you just regurgitation what Paul McCartney said on Larry King.
Actually he's arguably one of, if not the, best premier we've ever had. He's intelligent, informed, articulate, good head for business....
what's unethical and backwoods about the seal hunt exactly? how is the seal hunt more unethical than say a slaughterhouse or other controlled hunt?
yes, because ecotourism is such a good alternative. let's set up an industry that disrupts the seal's (and other wildlife's) habitat all year round! Our tourism sector is growing quite well but you'll be hard pressed to be able to sustain any sort of living out of it in the winter time.
It's not soley to save the cod stocks, no. It's overpopulation in the seal population as well. Believe me, most Newfoundlanders are well aware of the reasons the cod is gone.
Too bad they don't care about being well informed or know how to have a proper discourse. Too bad they didn't care about the fact that whitecoats aren't hunted (but they sure look cute in a publicity shot!) or that that pup's mother wouldn't have anything to do with it once a human touched it, or what they did (fondling the pup) is actually illegal (too bad the gov didn't have the balls to prosecute). The way heather acted on larry king was horrendous. when presented with the facts all she (and poor Paul) could do was stammer through her HSUS pamphlet she probably read on the way over.
Sorry but they're shilling for HSUS, who don't want the seal hunt, their biggest money maker, to end.
What exactly is cruel, ugly and barbaric about it specifically that doesn't apply to other hunts and slaughters?
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THE SEAL HUNT IS A GOOD THING
You people are too sucked into the media. You haven't heard both sides of the story. You see a picture of a cute seal on an anti-seal hunt sight, and you think that it is cruel to kill seals.
Do you people know why seals are being clubbed? The people living in the easy are very poor, they dont have great jobs like in Ontario and the West. Most of them have gone to university, and still cannot find jobs because it is practically deserted where they live. They struggle for food and shelter.
Seals are overpopulating the area. There are many of them, and people kill them for their meat, so they can sell them. They also kill baby seals for fur, not because they are cruel, but because they have no other choice.
Also, dont you think that these seal clubbers would be making SEAL CLUBBING websites? Of coarse they would, but they have no money. The people who run the anti-seal clubbing websites are wealthy, so they get a lot of the public on their side.
Think about it people, what would you rather, seals die or people die? You people who think that killing seals is cruel are too sucked into the media.
You people are too sucked into the media. You haven't heard both sides of the story. You see a picture of a cute seal on an anti-seal hunt sight, and you think that it is cruel to kill seals.
Do you people know why seals are being clubbed? The people living in the easy are very poor, they dont have great jobs like in Ontario and the West. Most of them have gone to university, and still cannot find jobs because it is practically deserted where they live. They struggle for food and shelter.
Seals are overpopulating the area. There are many of them, and people kill them for their meat, so they can sell them. They also kill baby seals for fur, not because they are cruel, but because they have no other choice.
Also, dont you think that these seal clubbers would be making SEAL CLUBBING websites? Of coarse they would, but they have no money. The people who run the anti-seal clubbing websites are wealthy, so they get a lot of the public on their side.
Think about it people, what would you rather, seals die or people die? You people who think that killing seals is cruel are too sucked into the media.
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Capital letters= SHOUTING! Pipe down son...Thanks
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You know, if I were Seal, I would've taken ol' Pam's words and twisted them into accusing her of making some Rodney King racial joke.ofender said:
This seal hunt issue is nothing but a convenient strawman for celebrities to appear all 'conscious' and 'altruistic'. It was nice to see people like Jann Arden put plastic-Pam in her place. I still don't understand how someone as artificial as Pamela Anderson is the poster girl for "nature".
I think the WORST thing I saw lately was Bridgitte Bardot (who now looks like cross between a prune and an iguana) standing in front of a seal clubbing a newborn baby human. How the hell do you equate the two?
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Thanks Gilliangirl for putting in a breath of sanity in a mob mentality. I support what you have said and feel at least as strongly as you. As I read this thread I was getting angry and more angry, unable to write a calm and thoughtful reply.
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Pete
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Danny williams looked like a dim fool on Larry King. Amazing he won a political campaign. Actually on second thought, maybe that is the reason he won. Look at George Bush for example.
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Uh, Williams didn't represent the facts. In fact, he misquoted so many organizations that some of them (IFAW, WWF) were considering legal action. If you don't believe me, go to their websites and read it for yourself. He made a huge fool of himself and lost even more credibility.hoser said:
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hoser said:
What's hypocritical about voicing an opinion you believe in ?
You have an opinion that I assume you believe in. Are you a hypocrite?
Maybe the Junos is not the best platform to voice your opinion on such a subject.
But it is not hypocritical.
this is what you're talking about?Gilliangirl said:
"WILLIAMS: Heather, first of all, Paul, you're in Prince Edward Island now. And I'm in Newfoundland and Labrador. I'm inviting you to come to my province to see that. We are supported by the World Wildlife Fund, a very reputable organization. This is supported by the United Nations and the International Society for Conservation. These are worldwide policy speakers who speak on behalf of the international community. They see nothing wrong with it. And I just want to make your audience aware..."
Agreed he did get that wrong....as for him making a fool of himself....I completely disagree. The McCartney's were 10x worse. if you want to talk about distorting facts and lying, we can discuss HSUS "boycott list" where 80% of the companies listed aren't boycotting or don't even know they're on the list...
Anderson herself is a hypocrite. she has no problem reaping the benefits of animal testing in her breast implants, hairdye, plastic surgery, and hepetitis (liver) research. also, she'll wear leather if there's a paycheck involved (barbed wire).....based on these things, her opinion shouldn't mean much to anyone....and to those it does, well, I feel sorry for them.faracaster said:
does anyone even watch the junos? I just heard about it the next day.
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I won't get into a pissing contest with you here "HOSER". And I don't pretend to know all the facts about Pam. It seems like you know quite a bit about someone who's "opinion shouldn't mean much to anyone" and that you "just heard about the next day". However, I do know that the cosmetic company that she has an endorsment with, is against animal testing,(Cruelty Free Beauty) in addition to their AIDS fund and their recycling program.
And since you asked.....1.7 million Canadians :smilie_flagge17: watched the Junos this year and it is being packaged to be shown on MTV and VH1 worldwide. I'll get you those numbers when it airs
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Pete
I just like to be informed is all and know what kind of people we're dealing with. that's bad somehow?
yes, I heard (well, read) about it the next day, so what. the junos (and most awards shows) aren't interesting to me. I knew MTV (CTV) had the contract since it wasn't shown on a local channel here.
yes, I heard (well, read) about it the next day, so what. the junos (and most awards shows) aren't interesting to me. I knew MTV (CTV) had the contract since it wasn't shown on a local channel here.
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LOL!! That's exactly what I thought when I read Hoser's post.... for someone who despises Pammy, he sure seems to know a lot about her LOL!!!faracaster said:I won't get into a pissing contest with you here "HOSER". And I don't pretend to know all the facts about Pam. It seems like you know quite a bit about someone who's "opinion shouldn't mean much to anyone" and that you "just heard about the next day". However, I do know that the cosmetic company that she has an endorsment with, is against animal testing,(Cruelty Free Beauty) in addition to their AIDS fund and their recycling program.
And since you asked.....1.7 million Canadians :smilie_flagge17: watched the Junos this year and it is being packaged to be shown on MTV and VH1 worldwide. I'll get you those numbers when it airs
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Pete
From what I've read, she owns her own pleather clothing line and does not wear leather, and she is only using naturopathic treatments for her hepatitis and does not support animal testing/vivisection. I think Pammy is the real deal. There are plenty of cruelty-free cosmetics and hair dyes on the market these days, Hoser. I know she was in Halifax recently (around the Junos) promoting MAC cosmetics, too, which are cruelty-free. I also applaud her courage for making her anti-sealhunt comments at a show that took place in Halifax!! Whether you agree with her or not, that took guts!!
Hoser, you say you want to be informed? Then get informed. Read up on the topic and view it all with a critical eye. Be open to the fact that maybe the government isn't what you thought it was. Think 'big picture'. Think 'future'. But most importantly, think 'humane'.
Oh, and the boycott list??? The stats around that are that 33% of the companies on the list were polled by the 'sealhunt supporters'. Of that 33% that were polled, 13% didn't know they were on the list. Will someone please hand me my scientific calculator?? Because that's what I would need to calculate how small that number is!
I guess you've never heard of the phrase "know your enemy". I don't "despise" her, I (and Newfoundlanders in general) am sick of these celebrities thinking they can come tell us what to do, without knowing anything about us, or the hunt. Pam WILL wear leather for a paycheck and is a spokesperson for the American Liver Foundation, who endorse animal testing. Anyway, enough about her.
So what's the difference of HSUS claiming they have almost 300 companies onboard, and the Center for Consumer Freedom contacting the companies on the list, only to find out that 62 percent (I thought I read 80%, my mistake) were unaware that HSUS were describing them as boycott participants. I guess it all depends on who you think is telling the truth. I'd like to see a link to the stats you're posting. here's mine
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/152
Listen, you don't have to tell me to look at the feds critically, I'm a Newfoundland & Labrador nationalist. A seperatist if you will. If it were a viable alternative right now, I'd vote to leave Canada in a second.
I've previously said that I think that the other uses for seal should be increased and not just the fur taken. As for being killed humanely, only a small number of sealers use the hakapik....but I have to admit that I am more inclined to believe the Canadian Medical Veterinary Association than HSUS, PETA or any other of these organizations.
I don't have a problem with the hunt, but I do want to see expansion in other areas (meat, omega 3, etc) and less focus put on the fur side of it.
So what's the difference of HSUS claiming they have almost 300 companies onboard, and the Center for Consumer Freedom contacting the companies on the list, only to find out that 62 percent (I thought I read 80%, my mistake) were unaware that HSUS were describing them as boycott participants. I guess it all depends on who you think is telling the truth. I'd like to see a link to the stats you're posting. here's mine
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/152
Listen, you don't have to tell me to look at the feds critically, I'm a Newfoundland & Labrador nationalist. A seperatist if you will. If it were a viable alternative right now, I'd vote to leave Canada in a second.
I've previously said that I think that the other uses for seal should be increased and not just the fur taken. As for being killed humanely, only a small number of sealers use the hakapik....but I have to admit that I am more inclined to believe the Canadian Medical Veterinary Association than HSUS, PETA or any other of these organizations.
I don't have a problem with the hunt, but I do want to see expansion in other areas (meat, omega 3, etc) and less focus put on the fur side of it.
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Hey Hoser.....
I'm totally with you as far as being critical of Government. Federal, Provincial and Municipal. I am suspicious of anyone that wants to be a politcian. You have to ask questions, ask for reasons, ask for motivation, question "authority" and decide for yourself. We are generally sold a bill of goods that has been so spun and manipulated by the time we hear about it, it resembles nothing of the truth. Now I know I'm treading on thin ice here. And I'm not saying that a politicians are crooks, but you have to wonder what motivates someone to become one in the first place. Power? Fame? I don't know as the last thing I would want to be is a politcian.
As far as your feeling of separation is concerned. That is totally your thing. I will not make comment on that. But I can understand that being as isolated as you are there can make you feel, well, different and independent from the rest of Canada. However I have played, toured, worked and vacationed in Nfld. many times, and it is THE place in this whole country that I absolutely LOVE. Canada would be at a huge loss if Nfld. ever did decide to separate.
cheers:food-smiley-004:
Pete
Now if you guys would just stop hunting those seals......
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