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bottom line is no slaughter is pretty. but white coats sure are, hey? too bad they haven't been hunted in 20 years.

down here we're used to celebs and protesters coming down telling us how barbaric the hunt is *yawn* so it's all a bit stale now.

paul mccartney looked like a fool on cnn and very much his wife's puppet. fact of the matter is without the protest these groups would lose millions of dollars. so do they really want the hunt, their biggest money maker, to stop? I don't think so.

you know what's funny though? that pup that paul and heather posed with was given a death sentence by them since a mother seal won't go near it now that it's had human contact.

is the pick barbaric? not according to government officials and the numerous studies that have been done. more and more rifles are being used on the ice these days...for example the hunt that just occured was done with mainly rifles.

the government shouldn't even allow these protesters on the ice. Canada is the only country in the world that allows them to be there to harrass...I mean, observe the sealers.

what canada should be doing is pushing the food, omega 3 fatty acids, oils, and other uses for seals.

anyone here ever eaten seal? It's pretty greasy. my son has a pair of seal skin slippers...very soft.

the propaganda spread by hsus that the ban on snowcrab is working is a fallacy. most of the comapnies don't even know they're on the list of "supporters" and I think it was something like 20% of the "supporters" are actually boycotting.

don't believe the hype.
 

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All I've heard is the St. John's store will be carrying them.
Costco have also issued a statement debunking Paul Watson's claim that he, and the Sea Sheppard Society, were the ones that got them taken off the shelves in the first place.
 

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Gilliangirl said:
If public pressured worked, this ghastly seal hunt would have ended 30 years ago! The majority of Canadians are against this hunt.
link to stats please. anti sealers love to say this but is it actually true? I've seen polls that go both ways. There's no definitive data on it.

I am one of them. I just love it when people say 'but it creates revenue'. So what!Slavery created revenue, too, that didn't make it right!
are you seriously comparing the annual cull to human slavery?!? Or are you just regurgitation what Paul McCartney said on Larry King.

That hunt needs to stop. It's a bloody embarrassment to Canadians everywhere. Danny Williams is doing a lousy job.
Actually he's arguably one of, if not the, best premier we've ever had. He's intelligent, informed, articulate, good head for business....

If he really cared about his constituents, he'd be in there arguing for more money for his province to develop ethical ETHICAL industry in NL, not that backwoods crap that goes on now. He's not doing Newfoundlanders any favours by supporting the seal hunt. He's just perpetuating the image that they're a bunch of hicks. Not fair to them, not fair to the animals, not fair to the rest of Canadians.
what's unethical and backwoods about the seal hunt exactly? how is the seal hunt more unethical than say a slaughterhouse or other controlled hunt?

I've been to NL. It's beautiful. Develop tourism or something ethical. Create jobs for people that will allow them to hold their heads high.
yes, because ecotourism is such a good alternative. let's set up an industry that disrupts the seal's (and other wildlife's) habitat all year round! Our tourism sector is growing quite well but you'll be hard pressed to be able to sustain any sort of living out of it in the winter time.

And for those of you who think that the seals need to go because of the declining cod population, give your head a shake! The seals eat both cod as well as other fish that eat cod, so they actually contribute to a BALANCE.
Overfishing has decreased the population of cod, not the seals. The seals are a scapegoat. And if you believe everything our government and the Dep of Fisheries says, give your head another shake. They're just lazy and don't want to invest the time or money it would take to develop the Eastern provinces. They're taking the easy way out.
It's not soley to save the cod stocks, no. It's overpopulation in the seal population as well. Believe me, most Newfoundlanders are well aware of the reasons the cod is gone.


I doubt that the McCartneys need money, and they don't receive any money for any of the humane work they do. Linda McCartney was a long-time vegetarian and animal rights activist (are you old enough to remember her favourite little saying 'Don't eat anything with a face'?). Heather has similar values. I assure you both Paul and Heather do this because they want the world to be a better place for our kids to inherit, and for the animals who reside here. Oh, and yes, the McCartneys actually DO care about chickens, pigs, cows and all the other animals, even the ugly ones, that are caught up in factory farming.
Too bad they don't care about being well informed or know how to have a proper discourse. Too bad they didn't care about the fact that whitecoats aren't hunted (but they sure look cute in a publicity shot!) or that that pup's mother wouldn't have anything to do with it once a human touched it, or what they did (fondling the pup) is actually illegal (too bad the gov didn't have the balls to prosecute). The way heather acted on larry king was horrendous. when presented with the facts all she (and poor Paul) could do was stammer through her HSUS pamphlet she probably read on the way over.
Sorry but they're shilling for HSUS, who don't want the seal hunt, their biggest money maker, to end.

Last but not least, when you know better, you DO better. Why would anyone want to cling to traditions that are cruel, ugly, barbaric, etc. Tradition should never involve cruelty. Why are people so afraid of progress?
What exactly is cruel, ugly and barbaric about it specifically that doesn't apply to other hunts and slaughters?
 

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if someone who knew what they were talking about and presented the facts looked like a "dim fool", what would you say the mccartney's (uninformed, ignorant, pawns, didn't even know where they were) looked like?

good to hear that hypocrite anderson got booed at the junos too.
 

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Uh, Williams didn't represent the facts. In fact, he misquoted so many organizations that some of them (IFAW, WWF) were considering legal action. If you don't believe me, go to their websites and read it for yourself. He made a huge fool of himself and lost even more credibility.
this is what you're talking about?

"WILLIAMS: Heather, first of all, Paul, you're in Prince Edward Island now. And I'm in Newfoundland and Labrador. I'm inviting you to come to my province to see that. We are supported by the World Wildlife Fund, a very reputable organization. This is supported by the United Nations and the International Society for Conservation. These are worldwide policy speakers who speak on behalf of the international community. They see nothing wrong with it. And I just want to make your audience aware..."

Agreed he did get that wrong....as for him making a fool of himself....I completely disagree. The McCartney's were 10x worse. if you want to talk about distorting facts and lying, we can discuss HSUS "boycott list" where 80% of the companies listed aren't boycotting or don't even know they're on the list...
 

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faracaster said:
What's hypocritical about voicing an opinion you believe in ?
You have an opinion that I assume you believe in. Are you a hypocrite?
Maybe the Junos is not the best platform to voice your opinion on such a subject.
But it is not hypocritical.
Anderson herself is a hypocrite. she has no problem reaping the benefits of animal testing in her breast implants, hairdye, plastic surgery, and hepetitis (liver) research. also, she'll wear leather if there's a paycheck involved (barbed wire).....based on these things, her opinion shouldn't mean much to anyone....and to those it does, well, I feel sorry for them.

does anyone even watch the junos? I just heard about it the next day.
 

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I just like to be informed is all and know what kind of people we're dealing with. that's bad somehow?
yes, I heard (well, read) about it the next day, so what. the junos (and most awards shows) aren't interesting to me. I knew MTV (CTV) had the contract since it wasn't shown on a local channel here.
 

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I guess you've never heard of the phrase "know your enemy". I don't "despise" her, I (and Newfoundlanders in general) am sick of these celebrities thinking they can come tell us what to do, without knowing anything about us, or the hunt. Pam WILL wear leather for a paycheck and is a spokesperson for the American Liver Foundation, who endorse animal testing. Anyway, enough about her.

So what's the difference of HSUS claiming they have almost 300 companies onboard, and the Center for Consumer Freedom contacting the companies on the list, only to find out that 62 percent (I thought I read 80%, my mistake) were unaware that HSUS were describing them as boycott participants. I guess it all depends on who you think is telling the truth. I'd like to see a link to the stats you're posting. here's mine
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/152

Listen, you don't have to tell me to look at the feds critically, I'm a Newfoundland & Labrador nationalist. A seperatist if you will. If it were a viable alternative right now, I'd vote to leave Canada in a second.

I've previously said that I think that the other uses for seal should be increased and not just the fur taken. As for being killed humanely, only a small number of sealers use the hakapik....but I have to admit that I am more inclined to believe the Canadian Medical Veterinary Association than HSUS, PETA or any other of these organizations.
I don't have a problem with the hunt, but I do want to see expansion in other areas (meat, omega 3, etc) and less focus put on the fur side of it.
 

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Hey Hoser.....

I'm totally with you as far as being critical of Government. Federal, Provincial and Municipal. I am suspicious of anyone that wants to be a politcian. You have to ask questions, ask for reasons, ask for motivation, question "authority" and decide for yourself. We are generally sold a bill of goods that has been so spun and manipulated by the time we hear about it, it resembles nothing of the truth. Now I know I'm treading on thin ice here. And I'm not saying that a politicians are crooks, but you have to wonder what motivates someone to become one in the first place. Power? Fame? I don't know as the last thing I would want to be is a politcian.

As far as your feeling of separation is concerned. That is totally your thing. I will not make comment on that. But I can understand that being as isolated as you are there can make you feel, well, different and independent from the rest of Canada. However I have played, toured, worked and vacationed in Nfld. many times, and it is THE place in this whole country that I absolutely LOVE. Canada would be at a huge loss if Nfld. ever did decide to separate.

cheers:food-smiley-004:
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Now if you guys would just stop hunting those seals......:D
Confederation is a highly political thing here. From the provincial government to the feds, our interests haven't been taken care of. Unfortunately confederation has led to the reliance on the goverment we see now, or the "Culture of defeat", as Stephen Harper put it. Add the horrible management of our resources at the hands of the feds and you start to wonder if things could be better.....at least (imo) now we have someone at the provincial level who's willing to fight for what's rightfully ours.....anyway, that's really getting off topic.

Looks like Loyola Hearn is going to look at the regulations for "observing" the sealers....proper thing, imo. There are some labour standards and workers' rights issues at play. It's going to be interesting to see how the case that HSUS is bringing to court (if they actually get to court) pans out.
 
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