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Anybody’s following the harp seal hunt? Unjustified, outdated and truly horrific practice? Or put white sheets on the floor of any slaughterhouse and you’ll see lots of blood too?

Am I wrong to think that Paul & Heather, Mick (Jagger), Brigitte Bardot and company are taking this a little too far?
 

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If the rich people are there for a cause and not just to get their name in the paper, they would offer to adopt the over population ones. To me, its just a bunch of idiots who want to get noticed again, because their flame died off many moons ago. Bardot? Is that some sort of wine?...........
 

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Here are my 2 cents on that.Nobody's wrong or right on this issue, if man had never started fishing in the great north, the seal and fish population would have been balanced by the laws of nature, if by that, a species would have been exterminated, well be it, we call that evolution. But there are tons of dough to be made by fishing up there and the seal pay the price.If maybe they'd find some other way of killing them(like drowning them to a slow and peaceful death...humor). Nobody would be talking about it.I'm really not into seal clubbing ,but we don't have a say, some big foreign corporations do.

:2guns:--------> seal.

sorry for my french Canadian accent:D
 

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Yeah radio8, I don't think that the issue is so much about extinction. I think that I read that the federal department of fisheries and oceans has estimated the number of harp seals to be around 3 millions or so and they are monitoring the effect of the hunt to make sure that they do not become extinct. The quota for one hunting season is around 300,000.

But the hunt itself seems to be attracting the attention. I'm thinking that the white icy/snowy background is making this more dramatic than what it is. I also read that the price for a seal skin is about $75 and the whole season brings over 15 millions in revenue for the region. It's important revenue for atlantic region.

And the DFO (dept fisheries oceans) "says the club, or "hakapik," used by many sealers is "an efficient tool" that kills "quickly and humanely." The Royal Commission on Seals and Sealing in Canada found that clubbing, when properly performed, is at least as humane as killing methods in commercial slaughterhouses. Opponents say clubbing often isn't "properly performed."

I just don't think that celebrities should get involve in this. Their point of view is somewhat askew and they want to influence other nations and people to boycott our seafood products. That's ridiculous. It could affect us economically and IMHO, for no truly justified reasons.
 

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I was talking ''extinction'' on the long term,and your right, the snowy backdrop doesn't help. you seem really up to date on that issue. I'm not against it,I just think we should'nt get the bad wrap for what foreign companies(because there are) do on our land, but we're as guilty because we support it. The media as to send a clear message that it's always been like this and we won't change a multi million business overnight to please ''media hungry superstars''
 

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bottom line is no slaughter is pretty. but white coats sure are, hey? too bad they haven't been hunted in 20 years.

down here we're used to celebs and protesters coming down telling us how barbaric the hunt is *yawn* so it's all a bit stale now.

paul mccartney looked like a fool on cnn and very much his wife's puppet. fact of the matter is without the protest these groups would lose millions of dollars. so do they really want the hunt, their biggest money maker, to stop? I don't think so.

you know what's funny though? that pup that paul and heather posed with was given a death sentence by them since a mother seal won't go near it now that it's had human contact.

is the pick barbaric? not according to government officials and the numerous studies that have been done. more and more rifles are being used on the ice these days...for example the hunt that just occured was done with mainly rifles.

the government shouldn't even allow these protesters on the ice. Canada is the only country in the world that allows them to be there to harrass...I mean, observe the sealers.

what canada should be doing is pushing the food, omega 3 fatty acids, oils, and other uses for seals.

anyone here ever eaten seal? It's pretty greasy. my son has a pair of seal skin slippers...very soft.

the propaganda spread by hsus that the ban on snowcrab is working is a fallacy. most of the comapnies don't even know they're on the list of "supporters" and I think it was something like 20% of the "supporters" are actually boycotting.

don't believe the hype.
 

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Anybody’s following the harp seal hunt? Unjustified, outdated and truly horrific practice? Or put white sheets on the floor of any slaughterhouse and you’ll see lots of blood too?
Am I wrong to think that Paul & Heather, Mick (Jagger), Brigitte Bardot and company are taking this a little too far?
...beyond all the uninformed opinions, name calling and idiotic celebrity bashing there are probably some real issues, and genuine truths, on both sides. i have found it very difficult to get any real information on this. it may be that that mcartneys, who i believe are well-meaning (they DON'T need the attention) and other celebrity activists, are poorly informed, or even aiming at the wrong target. conversely, while i find it hard to believe that our government would cover up the truth, it wouldn't be the first time...
 

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The only reason we keep those little shits alive is to kill them to make money. THey're useless and eat all the fish. It's not a slaughter when the population of those ****ers has tripled over the last 10 years. The government makes sure that only the allowed amount are killed and the decide the amount on the population. Whats the big deal? Same as pigs and shit we breed to eat. It's not like they're useful preetty animals.
 

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Apparently Pamela Anderson tried to throw a few words in for the seals at the Juno's and almost got thrown out of the place. I hope Faracaster built that stage good and strong, to hold her and those balloons.
"Seal may have like to perform but he feared that he may have been clubbed" or sometging to that effect.

.. those balloons. :D :D
 

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...beyond all the uninformed opinions, name calling and idiotic celebrity bashing there are probably some real issues, and genuine truths, on both sides. i have found it very difficult to get any real information on this. it may be that that mcartneys, who i believe are well-meaning (they DON'T need the attention) and other celebrity activists, are poorly informed, or even aiming at the wrong target. conversely, while i find it hard to believe that our government would cover up the truth, it wouldn't be the first time...
I have no doubt there's some truth in what you say David.

Being one of those barbaric Newfoundlanders myself, I will have this to say...

First, on the issue of Costco pulling seal oil capsules, regardless of whether it was purely economic as they publicly claim or pressure from that Watson dillhole. All of Canada is up in arms saying "boycott Costco". Well, I went to the local Costco yesterday, and for the first time since I can remember the staff outnumbered the customers. I think it's just a little silly really. The simple fact is Costco here in St. John's was the first store to start the big box store trend that has created 3 new shopping areas with half a dozen or more of these huge stores (Canadian Tire, Wal-Mart, Future Shop, etc, etc). They triggered a boost to the local economy and provided a whole lot of new jobs to the area. I saw BRAVO to that. I don't see the point of persecuting a bunch of local folks who need those Costco jobs just because the head honchos pulled one product that is a miniscule percentage of their overall sales. Do we boycott Wal-Mart because they refuse to carry certain music or movies due to what they caim is objectionable content - i.e. censorship? Nope. I understand the need to make a point, but I find the approach rather pointless and basically self-destructive.

Second, on the celebrity issue. I see it this way. Most of the celebrity activists (the vocal ones anyway) are generally has-beens (McCartney & Bardot) or never-was types (Anderson). All they're doing is trying to give themselves some ligitimacy & make themselves more visible. It's all about the coin.

And as for Watson, the humane society, and all of their friends, I think one of my fellow posters really hit the nail on the head. They NEED the seal hunt. It's an annual revenue stream for them - nothing more. Without it (and similar "causes"), these organizations would have no reason to exist & no funding to maintain themselves. You'll never convince me there isn't a self-serving purpose behind it all for any protester.

I'm not saying some of these people don't legitimately care about the animals - just that the figureheads have a hidden ajenda. And the humane society does a lot of excellent & valuable work in other areas. I think they're a little misguided on this issue however.

As for the government, I'd not so deluded that I don't realize there's some rhetoric on their part. However, I feel it is justified in this case since the protestors campaign is uninformed and misleading at best, and more accurately I would call it a propaganda campaign. I know for a FACT that much of it is barefaced lies.

Regarding the humanity of the hunt, I ask you this. Is it any more inhumane than hanging a bunch of chickens by their feet & sending them to an assembly-line style slaughter? You don't see activists crying about the slaughter of pigs, chickens & cows because they're not cute & cuddly like baby seals. If there's no photo op, there's no protest.

Finally, a few points that activists like to ignore...

- Whitecoats haven't been hunted in Canada in about 20 years, yet whitecoats are still the focal point of the protests, even to the point of using archive footage from over 20 years ago.
- The seal population has more than tripled in the last decade. Meanwhile, their primary food supply...fish stocks...have been practically decimated and show no real signs of recovery. Yet, there are more & more seals chowing down. Does anyone else see a recipe for disaster for the seal population there?
- The pelts are a revenue stream, and the primary one without a doubt. However, the rest of the carcass is not wasted (or should I say it doesn't need to be). Some of the meat is eaten locally. There is a niche market for seal oil. And, the asians are buying anything left that's not used. So, it's not wasteful.

And my final comment. With the millions of dollars celebrities & activists are pumping into these protests, I wonder how much food & meds could be shipped to starving & sick families... Just a thought.

Boy - that turned into a long rant! Think I'll stop now.
 
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