Eric Pykala said:
LOL !!!...... and you sound so happy about it Eric. Can I have your job? :tongue:
prs trem or floyd rose
What are the differences and which one is better overall?
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LOL !!!...... and you sound so happy about it Eric. Can I have your job? :tongue:
1. Big problem for country pickers I guess. The FR was not designed for steel guitar licks. (I can do double stops with bends. Just takes a little practice).Eric Pykala said:I have no problems with the FR except:
1. Bridge flutter making adjacent string bends require multiple bends, all of differing degrees just to keep it in tune.
2. Biggest PITA to setup and maintain.
3. Break a string and put it down to pickup your spare.
4. Love taking a guitar string, clamping it in metal blocks at one end and then parking a Buick on two posts in the middle of the guitar. This is Tone? Not to me.
5. Looks like shite.
My Musicmans and PRSi stay in tune equally as well (so do my trad. Fender trems; setup is everything) and suffer from none of the above. One of these days I will meet Floyd in person and there will be an assault charge involved. Yeah, I fix guitars for a living...-Eric.
2. and you fix guitars for a living?
3. One broken string in 10 years. That's why I have back ups.
4. I use my ears to assess tone, not a discription of how you string the bridge. Sounds great to me.
5. Ok, can't argue with that. Lots of people would say the same about a Les Paul. (but who gives a shite how it looks?)
Equally well? I've heard this claim many times and strangely enough, I can throw these guitars out of tune pretty easily.
Again, it's all about what you like.
10, 9, 8, 7...Starting count down till thread closure
Wishful thinking?
Closing threads because someone gets their nose out of joint is not a good idea unless you want a place where everybody has the same opinions and nobody ever dares to say "the Emperor's naked".
That's not the way I see this site and it would be a shame.
When I hear or read something that I believe to be false, I call BS.
If that ruffles feathers, so be it.
Guitarists are among the worst (or best) followers there are. One guitar god makes a statement in a guitar mag and it becomes fact.
I use my own judgement. That doesn't mean I'm always right, but my opinions are based on my experience and not on what everybody else says is so.
:food-smiley-004:
Closing threads because someone gets their nose out of joint is not a good idea unless you want a place where everybody has the same opinions and nobody ever dares to say "the Emperor's naked".
That's not the way I see this site and it would be a shame.
When I hear or read something that I believe to be false, I call BS.
If that ruffles feathers, so be it.
Guitarists are among the worst (or best) followers there are. One guitar god makes a statement in a guitar mag and it becomes fact.
I use my own judgement. That doesn't mean I'm always right, but my opinions are based on my experience and not on what everybody else says is so.
:food-smiley-004:
There have always been those who take issue with the FR. Whatever they're reasons are, I can't figure. It's a choice and it's damn nice to have choice. Even better, freedom of speech without censorship. Freedom's great, isn't it?:rockon:
Damn Eric. I'm bringing in my Wolfgangs and a Kramer Baretta, all with Floyds for a set up. NoneEric Pykala said:I have no problems with the FR except:
1. Bridge flutter making adjacent string bends require multiple bends, all of differing degrees just to keep it in tune.
2. Biggest PITA to setup and maintain.
3. Break a string and put it down to pickup your spare.
4. Love taking a guitar string, clamping it in metal blocks at one end and then parking a Buick on two posts in the middle of the guitar. This is Tone? Not to me.
5. Looks like shite.
My Musicmans and PRSi stay in tune equally as well (so do my trad. Fender trems; setup is everything) and suffer from none of the above. One of these days I will meet Floyd in person and there will be an assault charge involved. Yeah, I fix guitars for a living...-Eric.
The ironic thing is that setting up a Floyd is really simpler in some ways than a traditional Fender trem. You have to really know how to set up one of those the be able to use it at all, and the amount of time and effort you spend with them DOES yield results.
With a Floyd I set it up in under an hour including installing the strings, setting action and intonating it. I also set up guitars for a living for about 18 months (between bands). When tightened correctly I've had one saddle come loose in some twenty years of using them. I've gone through some of the locking screws on the bridge and a few on the nuts, but really they never seem to need a lot of tweaking.
The traditional ones need more TLC, but obviously many players still prefer them for tonal reasons.
With a Floyd I set it up in under an hour including installing the strings, setting action and intonating it. I also set up guitars for a living for about 18 months (between bands). When tightened correctly I've had one saddle come loose in some twenty years of using them. I've gone through some of the locking screws on the bridge and a few on the nuts, but really they never seem to need a lot of tweaking.
The traditional ones need more TLC, but obviously many players still prefer them for tonal reasons.
Actually what you did was tell someone they are nuts for intinating at a gig. I had absolutely nothing to do with something that is false. It wasn't direct name calling but indirectly that's what you were doing.Milkman said:When I hear or read something that I believe to be false, I call BS.
If that ruffles feathers, so be it.
:food-smiley-004:
You kept at it, poking little jabs here and there and you really didn't have to. If KHINGPYNN hadn't walked away you'd still probably be at it.
Food for thought!
Hey ne1roc, just because I PERSONALLY don't like floyds never interferes with my ability to do great work on customer's guitars. You should see some of the stuff that crosses my bench that I REALLY don't like!
This post is all about opinion...no point getting into name-calling about pieces of metal. My opinion? PRS trems are the best I have played/used, but I haven't tried the unobtanium Skyway yet. The PRS is an elegant design that has very low flutter, the ability to adjust individual saddle height without resorting to shims, does not rely on a locknut that can only be adjusted down by removing wood from the neck or up by shimming (shims are a band-aid that kill Tone), superb return-to-zero, and the ability to change a broken string in 45 seconds and still get the guitar back in tune. Someone mentioned the six screws and the importance of not adjusting them under tension; in all the time I've been playing and working on PRSi (and I used to be the first Canadian rep for PRS along with our partner Mike and our own Faracaster), I have never had to change the height of the bridge with those six screws, with one exception. Some "repairman" had taken a customers CE, screwed the bridge all the way down, then tightened the trem claw bolts right into the back of the neck. Caught it before the knife-edge was ruined. Lotsa bozons out there "repairing" guitars ("bozon", according to Dan Akroyd, is a genetically-engineeered cross between a bozo and a moron...).
Bottom line...you guys that like your floyds, more power to you! I like the PRS trem, but that's just my OPINION.-Eric
This post is all about opinion...no point getting into name-calling about pieces of metal. My opinion? PRS trems are the best I have played/used, but I haven't tried the unobtanium Skyway yet. The PRS is an elegant design that has very low flutter, the ability to adjust individual saddle height without resorting to shims, does not rely on a locknut that can only be adjusted down by removing wood from the neck or up by shimming (shims are a band-aid that kill Tone), superb return-to-zero, and the ability to change a broken string in 45 seconds and still get the guitar back in tune. Someone mentioned the six screws and the importance of not adjusting them under tension; in all the time I've been playing and working on PRSi (and I used to be the first Canadian rep for PRS along with our partner Mike and our own Faracaster), I have never had to change the height of the bridge with those six screws, with one exception. Some "repairman" had taken a customers CE, screwed the bridge all the way down, then tightened the trem claw bolts right into the back of the neck. Caught it before the knife-edge was ruined. Lotsa bozons out there "repairing" guitars ("bozon", according to Dan Akroyd, is a genetically-engineeered cross between a bozo and a moron...).
Bottom line...you guys that like your floyds, more power to you! I like the PRS trem, but that's just my OPINION.-Eric
Jeff Flowerday said:Actually what you did was tell someone they are nuts for intinating at a gig. I had absolutely nothing to do with something that is false. It wasn't direct name calling but indirectly that's what you were doing.
You kept at it, poking little jabs here and there and you really didn't have to. If KHINGPYNN hadn't walked away you'd still probably be at it.
Food for thought!
Intonating at a gig IS nuts. Again I call them as I see them. I have never seen ANYone intonate a guitar between sets. Perhaps if a saddle fell off or something extreme like that, but let's get real here.
Food for thought? Here's some food for thought.
BS is BS
Which is why I am bringing all my guitars over to you! I hope I didn't offend you? I was kinda poking fun at your dislike for Mr. Floyd!Eric Pykala said:Hey ne1roc, just because I PERSONALLY don't like floyds never interferes with my ability to do great work on customer's guitars.
Not a Floyd anyway, but an EBMM JP, NO PROBLEM!:banana:Milkman said:I have never seen ANYone intonate a guitar between sets.
ILUVMYJP7 said:Not a Floyd anyway, but an EBMM JP, NO PROBLEM!:banana:
Well I guess if that bridge NEEDs to be intonated in the middle of a gig......
The FR sure doesn't.
...i have no use for a floyd. i think that if i had a guitar tech and didn't have to bother with re-stringing, maintenance etc, i could see myself using one...occasionally.
i have an '86 strat plus with an upgraded two-point trem that tunes, and stays in tune, better than any guitar i've ever played, trem or no trem. its a floating trem, and i have no fear of abusing it.
on the other hand, i have a g&l legacy with a two-point trem that is, in my opinion, klunky and poorly designed. it has caused me endless headaches, and the problem persists. this trem seems unable to find the zero point.
-dh
i have an '86 strat plus with an upgraded two-point trem that tunes, and stays in tune, better than any guitar i've ever played, trem or no trem. its a floating trem, and i have no fear of abusing it.
on the other hand, i have a g&l legacy with a two-point trem that is, in my opinion, klunky and poorly designed. it has caused me endless headaches, and the problem persists. this trem seems unable to find the zero point.
-dh
Thinking it's nuts is fine, and posting that is fine as well, but continually posting it and being an arrogant ass about it isn't called for.Milkman said:Intonating at a gig IS nuts. Again I call them as I see them. I have never seen ANYone intonate a guitar between sets. Perhaps if a saddle fell off or something extreme like that, but let's get real here.
Food for thought? Here's some food for thought.
BS is BS
We want this place to be a place that everyone can enjoy and it's simple as being nice. Can you possibly do that? If not here's a link for you:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/index.php
I've been trying to avoid this part of the thread but when you think about it, if you had to intonate between sets, I would think that there is an issue with either the tremolo or the guitar? No?
Not necessarily, as strings stretch out and get gunked up the intonation will move around. It's slight and it might be enough to bother some.ne1roc said:I've been trying to avoid this part of the thread but when you think about it, if you had to intonate between sets, I would think that there is an issue with either the tremolo or the guitar? No?
Jeff Flowerday said:Thinking it's nuts is fine, and posting that is fine as well, but continually posting it and being an arrogant ass about it isn't called for.
We want this place to be a place that everyone can enjoy and it's simple as being nice. Can you possibly do that? If not here's a link for you:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/index.php
And is this proper comduct for a moderator?
Directing faithful contributors to go to Harmony central after referring to them as an "arrogant ass"?
I don't really care if you like me or not.
YOU sir are stepping out of line.
Perhaps the administrators should be making such decisions.
Jeff Flowerday said:Not necessarily, as strings stretch out and get gunked up the intonation will move around. It's slight and it might be enough to bother some.
Experts will tell you that strings don't actually stretch. They settle in around the tuners.
If your strings are "gunked up" to the extent that you need to re-intonate, wouldn't it make more sense to change the strings?
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