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floyds are cool for metal and have a dive a couple octaves lower than the rest, but I dont like all that locking stuff and holes in the neck...I will also put my fender tromolo to the pepsi challenge against a floyd, if anyone cares..took alot of tweeking tho evilGuitar:

 

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I'm just saying the trem on my strat stays in tune perfectly....I can dive the trem to where the srings flop around, release the arm and it's in perfect tune like a floyd. No need for all the locking stuff, honestly. The trem on my Deluxe strat has only 2 pivot posts like a floyd and admitedly stayed in tune very well but not perfect in stock form. I spent probably 10 hours in all of adjustments and tricks to get it totaly stable. Recently I tweeked an older strat with the 6 post trem and after about 2 hours I gave up on getting it perfect, it just wont do it, the tweeks helped alot and it became usable, the owner was ecstatic. If that strat where mine I would probably have spent more time on it, I'm sure I could have goten more stability out of it.

The older 6 pivot strat trems have way more sustain than my 2 pivot deluxe, I'm not sure wich I like best....perfect pitch with less sustain or great sustain and tuning problems....ugh!

 

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I posted a link on the forum where someone gets into details on improving strat trem stability, that person also adds a link to a video that goes into further details...folowing those ideas my strat stays in tune perfectly no matter how much wanking I do. I also realize that some ppl hate strats with a passion because of the stability issue and a may as well be trying to convince them that shyte don't stink....no really, here smell it!!! :zzz:

here is what i did:

step one: adjust the spring claw tension so there is more tention on the base side, you will need to retune to pitch several times and tweek for the amount of floatyou like. This tweek is the biggest factor in improving the tuning stability and I think it should be done to all trem's even floyds. It just makes sence to have pressure evenly distributed on the pivot posts even if it's only to prevent imature wear on on the trem.

step two: use some kind of lubricant on the nut, string tree(if you have the 6 pivot trem, do not use the string tree for the wound strings) and pivots. I use phil woods waterproof bearing grease(the green stuff) its better than oil or pencil lead but it dries in a week and has to be re-applyed often.

step three: this tweek is the final step that garantees floyd like wanking. Use a G string and tie it around the saddles to clamp them together. this is a PITA the sring kept breaking on me from over tightening, eventually I got it right.

 

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I made a vid, but the sound is not in sync for me once uploaded to youtube...oh well, please excuse the ferocious wanking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WaE4-4Or8

 

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I'm not a floyd equiped guitar hater, just making a point that strat trems can have fun too

 

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" I also realize that some ppl hate strats with a passion because of the stability issue and a may as well be trying to convince them that shyte don't stink....no really, here smell it!!! "


Actually I love Strats. I always keep one in my active guitars.


The trems suck though. All of the tweaks you describe above are pretty much common knowledge and yes, if you do these things you will difinitely improve the stability of a standard Strat trem.

I still maintain that it will not approach the bullet proof tuning stability of a properly installed and set up FR.

Plus, people are always complaining about the "hassle" of a FR. Well, it's nowhere near the hassle of all the tricks and manipulations you go through with your strat trem.

I'll go one step further. Even a hard tail won't stay in tune like a FR will.


People seem to have a real predjudice and closed mind about FR bridges.


I rarely use mine for dive bombs. For the most part it's for vibrato on chords or harmonic intervals. Even if I don't take the bar out of the case, it stays in tune better than ANY guitar without a double locking system.

my comment on shyte don't stink was not directed to anyone here per say MilkMan just alot of ppl hate them because of the trem issue, you seem to me like a verry knoledgable guy and i wanted to show a strat trem that can match a floyd in tuning stability is all :rockon2: It's hilarious to see ppl play my strat and examine it like there is some voodoo hidden somewhere

Yes a floyd is the most stable trem system out there period. I will never argue that.

 

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thats a nice trem, looks like it would stay in tune better than a PRS trem because of the 2 pivot system. What makes the prs trem stay in tune better thatn a vintage strat trem is the sides of the trem not allowing the saddles to move from side to side, tying a b string around the saddles of a vintage strat trem will bring it up to prs stability, assuming the nut and string trees are well setup.

This petrucci bridge must have a channel under the saddles to keep the from moving. a 2 pivot strat trem with tied saddles will hold its tune just as good.