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I had an SG Elitist epi last year. I paid $340 for a blemished G400. Was a mistake and I recived a blemished Elitist. It was one bad ass guitar. I sold it though. Thing had some boogers on it, but got me what I paid for it.:rockon2:
 

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Would anyone buy an Epi when presented with the opportunity of buying the real thing? Of those 3 guitars on sale I am presuming ya'll would go for the real Gibson SG before either of those Epi's.........or am I mistaken?
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Benee Wafers said:
Would anyone buy an Epi when presented with the opportunity of buying the real thing? Of those 3 guitars on sale I am presuming ya'll would go for the real Gibson SG before either of those Epi's.........or am I mistaken?
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Actually, you may be mistaken. I am going to check out the Epi 61 SG on Saturday. I've been searching for an SG over the last year but never found one that was finished and set to my standards. The finish and set up on a Gibson name guitar is seriously lackiing quality for the price you are paying these days?

While looking at the Gibsons, I have also been checking out the Epiphone guitars, which are finished far superior to Gibson! I put a call in to 12th Fret. They can't get rid of the Epiphone Elitist SG because you can get a Gibson Standard for only $300.00 more even though they feel it is a better guitar!

Marketing and shear stubborness of us dumb ass guitarist are the reason we pay excessively more for the Gibson name on the headstock.

I'm struggling to get past the Epiphone name as well. The name just doesn't look as good as Gibson. The resale value of a Gibson is far greater ...... but I play a guitar for my enjoyment, not to sell it and make money?

If its still there on Saturday and I like it, I'm gonna buy it! A guitar is only good if you personally like it!

Just in case somebody throws in the, " They are made in Japan or Korea argument," well I noticed some pretty nice cars you guys have over here that are made oversea's! Why?

Because they are better!
 

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So in fact you are saying that Epiphone makes a better Guitar than Gibson at a third of the price.
You're saying that Epi offers better build quality than Gibson.
Are you also gonna say that an Epi SG sounds equal to or better than a Gibson SG?
Not arguing, just curious as on this forum I often notice people talking about their Epi imitations or going to buy an Epi and always wonder why and conclude that they don't want to spend the money on the real thing.
Is that the wrong conclusion?
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So in fact you are saying that Epiphone makes a better Guitar than Gibson at a third of the price.
You're saying that Epi offers better build quality than Gibson.
Are you also gonna say that an Epi SG sounds equal to or better than a Gibson SG?
Not arguing, just curious as on this forum I often notice people talking about their Epi imitations or going to buy an Epi and always wonder why and conclude that they don't want to spend the money on the real thing.
Is that the wrong conclusion?
Benee Wafers
I would not say Epiphone Elitist's are better. I would say they are as good, but have a much better paint job. With the Elitist series by Epihone, all the parts are made in the USA and assembled in Japan/Korea.

The standard Epiphone guitars cannot be compared to Gibson though. They are made from composite woods with veneer tops. The electronics and hardwares are cheap. They are good for starters.

I would say the Elitist series are proffesional quality guitars. Like I said, I'm going to check it out Saturday. They have a real Gibson 61 that I will test drive as well. I'm willing to pay the price for the Gibson if I find its a better guitar. If I can't feel or hear any difference between the two, I'll have to see if I can get my head around the Epiphone name on the headstock. That will be the tough part, especially if the Epiphone is better!
 

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Yeah I hear ya but the bottom line, I think, is that guitars are not about paint jobs. They are about sound.If you can find an Epi that sounds like and as good as the real Gibson SG then more power to you.
Similarly I read here about players praising their LP style Tokai Love Rock guitars. I ask why? I figure ultimately they want a Gibson Les Paul but won't spend the money to get one. I guess its really just economics.
No doubt when someone can afford a Gibson Les Paul they'll buy one.
Good luck. Let me know how it goes.
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Yeah I hear ya but the bottom line, I think, is that guitars are not about paint jobs. They are about sound.If you can find an Epi that sounds like and as good as the real Gibson SG then more power to you.
Similarly I read here about players praising their LP style Tokai Love Rock guitars. I ask why? I figure ultimately they want a Gibson Les Paul but won't spend the money to get one. I guess its really just economics.
No doubt when someone can afford a Gibson Les Paul they'll buy one.
Good luck. Let me know how it goes.
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I'm one of the praisers of the Love Rocks and no ultimately I do not want a Gibson LP. I have played many, some I liked some I didn't. I can live without the name on the headstock as long as the rest of the guitar feels right. It is not a point of affording it anymore, it's about getting value for your money.
The LR plays, feels and sounds as good as any LP that I have played and that would be a few. The biggest difference would be the resale value but I can live with that.
 

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If you want a real nice LP then go with a Heritage. Not dirt cheap but they are fantastic guitars in my opinion. My Heritage Gary moore is the nicest in my collection. It's my #1 and a keeper. Heritage does not command the attention like Gibosn, but hey... these guys are making guitars in the original Gibson factory and owned buy the guys that made the original LP's.
 

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Well, I went down and tested the Gibson against the Epi Elitist! I tested both out an a THD Flexi50 and another amp that started with a K? Tone wise I really could not hear a difference. Both guitars sounded awesome. I am curious as to how a thin guitar like the SG gets so much sustain? The overall feel of both guitars was great, but the Epi had lower action which was to my liking. The tuners on the Epi seemed smoother, (same Grovers as my V). Intonation on both guitars was excellent!

Where the Gibson just could not compete was the finish of the guitar. The finish on the Epi was spectacular! The paint job was perfect, the wood grain was more consistant and the rosewood fretboard was just plain nicer. So guess what..........I bought the Epi!
Yeah, I got by the name on the headstock, but at least the truss rod cover plate is engraved Gibson instead of SG which is cool. For $1000.00 cheaper, I really feel the Epi was a better guitar then the Gibson. I've been playing it for the last 2 hours and of course at the moment its my favorite guitar!

Thanks for posting this sale Rollingdam!
 

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Saw an Epi Elitist SG at L&M in T.O. for $850, The nearest SG was $950. The Epi felt nicer and looked better.
 

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Well, I went down and tested the Gibson against the Epi Elitist! I tested both out an a THD Flexi50 and another amp that started with a K? Tone wise I really could not hear a difference. Both guitars sounded awesome. I am curious as to how a thin guitar like the SG gets so much sustain? The overall feel of both guitars was great, but the Epi had lower action which was to my liking. The tuners on the Epi seemed smoother, (same Grovers as my V). Intonation on both guitars was excellent!

Where the Gibson just could not compete was the finish of the guitar. The finish on the Epi was spectacular! The paint job was perfect, the wood grain was more consistant and the rosewood fretboard was just plain nicer. So guess what..........I bought the Epi!
Yeah, I got by the name on the headstock, but at least the truss rod cover plate is engraved Gibson instead of SG which is cool. For $1000.00 cheaper, I really feel the Epi was a better guitar then the Gibson. I've been playing it for the last 2 hours and of course at the moment its my favorite guitar!

Thanks for posting this sale Rollingdam!
If it works for you that's all that counts.:smile:
Post some pics, an congrats
 

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I'm one of the praisers of the Love Rocks and no ultimately I do not want a Gibson LP. I have played many, some I liked some I didn't. I can live without the name on the headstock as long as the rest of the guitar feels right. It is not a point of affording it anymore, it's about getting value for your money.
The LR plays, feels and sounds as good as any LP that I have played and that would be a few. The biggest difference would be the resale value but I can live with that.

I agree with Paul. If you have to have the name on the headstock then that is your thing. I know with me, I was able to get guitars that felt really good to me, do the mods I wanted (pickups etc) and still end up with a fair chunk of cash left over for my jeans. I love my epi LP and 58 flying v.

I've also had a chance to play an epi Iommi Sg, side by side the real thing, and the epi sounded as good as the real thing at a lot less money.
 
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