[Fenderaficionado]

I am completely new to the world of pedalboards and I have just purchased a Pedaltrain Classic 2 board and Truetone CS7 in order to finally regroup all of my pedals together. I was wondering about the order in which to place my pedals and if a Truetone CS 7 would be sufficient to power all of my pedals without incurring any additionnal noise. I have currently 8 pedals that require an adapter but only 7 outlets on my CS7. I still have the possibility of returning my CS7 and getting a CS12. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Mark Brown]

You could probably run all of those pedals off one outlet on the CS-7.

Get yourself a daisy chained cable and go to town.

For precise requirements, look up the mV draw of your pedals and simply do not exceed the maximum for an output on your supply.

 

[Milkman]

Do you mind telling us about the amp please?

Specifically do you have effects loop(s)?

If you have a loop, I'd put the time based effects in that (delay and chorus).

As for the pedals between the guitar output and the amp, I would put the wah first, then the OCD, then the Full drive 2, then the fuzz.

For the tuner, if the wah doesn't have a tuner out, one way to do it is to add an A/B box, send one side to the tuner and the other side to your pedals.

Sorry, I don't know much about loopers.



Good luck.

 

[Thunderboy1975]

That OCD can run at 18V. Sounds better.

 

[mhammer]

While the supply itself is likely protected against exporting spikes on the power line, and probably isolates each output, it is generally unwise to have two or more pedals with internal clocks sharing the same power line. So, all your Fulltone pedals can share a single daisychained PS output, you should run the looper, chorus, and delay from separate outputs of your powerbrick.

As for pedal order, all is fair in love, war, and rock, and interesting sounds can be gotten with unusual pedal combinations and orders (e.g., delay into drive). That said, "traditional" order would put tuner first, then wah, then drive pedals, chorus, delay, then looper. As for drive pedals, think about gain-staging and stacking drives.

 

[Fenderaficionado]

Do you mind telling us about the amp please?

Specifically do you have effects loop(s)?

If you have a loop, I'd put the time based effects in that (delay and chorus).

As for the pedals between the guitar output and the amp, I would put the wah first, then the OCD, then the Full drive 2, then the fuzz.

For the tuner, if the wah doesn't have a tuner out, one way to do it is to add an A/B box, send one side to the tuner and the other side to your pedals.

Sorry, I don't know much about loopers.



Good luck.

I have a Deluxe Reverb '65 reissue but would also like to use my pedals with my Vox AC10.

 

[Fenderaficionado]

While the supply itself is likely protected against exporting spikes on the power line, and probably isolates each output, it is generally unwise to have two or more pedals with internal clocks sharing the same power line. So, all your Fulltone pedals can share a single daisychained PS output, you should run the looper, chorus, and delay from separate outputs of your powerbrick.

As for pedal order, all is fair in love, war, and rock, and interesting sounds can be gotten with unusual pedal combinations and orders (e.g., delay into drive). That said, "traditional" order would put tuner first, then wah, then drive pedals, chorus, delay, then looper. As for drive pedals, think about gain-staging and stacking drives.

So I could technically put my Full-Drive 2 and Fuzz 69 on a daisy chain and plug my OCD separately in the 18V jack.

 

[BlueRocker]

I was wondering about the order in which to place my pedals

Pedal order is not carved in stone, so you can do what you like, but here's a reasonable order I think:

If you have an effects loop:

Guitar -> Tuner -> Volume/Wah -> Overdrive / Distortion (whatever order you prefer) -> Amp input

Effects Loop SEND -> Delay -> Chorus -> Looper -> Effects Loop return

If no effects loop:

Guitar -> Tuner -> Volume/Wah -> Overdrive / Distortion (whatever order you prefer) -> Delay -> Chorus -> Looper -> Amp input

I'd run the digital delay and the looper on dedicated power outputs from the CS7, and the rest of the pedals could probably be chained together if needed. Certainly there's enough power supply output to accommodate a couple of pedals sharing an output.

 

[Fenderaficionado]

For the tuner, if the wah doesn't have a tuner out, one way to do it is to add an A/B box, send one side to the tuner and the other side to your pedals.

The Fulltone Clyde Standard Wah doesn't have an tuner out.

 

[diyfabtone]

Daisy chain 2 pedals off one Truetone per jack, plug the others into the Truetone. The Tuner is the one to put at the end of the daisy chain as it won’t affect your tone. I’d try putting the Looper as the first one to daisy chain.

 

[AJ6stringsting]

You have to run you pedals in a certain order for better sounding results .
A buffer can solve an issue you may have with inconsistencies that pop, when pedals have different impedance between them , which tends to take out higher frequencies.

Here a suggested order.

Buffer , compressor, distortion / overdrive, Wah Wah, Eq, modulation ( chorus, flanger, detune, phaser ), delay and reverb .
I use MIDI Implementation with multi effects units , but I got effects looper to add foot pedals . Some folks, act like its a hassle to put together pedal boards , but I think it's a blast .

 

[Thunderboy1975]

Try the OCD on a daisy chain and then by itself directly into the 18V and see which one you prefer.

 

[Fenderaficionado]

So something along these lines with the 3 Fuzz/Distorsion/Drive Fulltone pedals on a daisy chain or where the OCD would be run separately on the 18v?

 

[Fenderaficionado]

I forget, the Fuzz 69's power is reverse polarity.

 

[BlueRocker]

So something along these lines with the 3 Fuzz/Distorsion/Drive Fulltone pedals on a daisy chain or where the OCD would be run separately on the 18v?

Looks good. You hear some people say the first pedal should be a buffer (likely the tuner) but for practicality having the wah first (and off the board) probably makes sense. I'd have to check but IIRC the digital pedals generally require more power (delay and looper). If you have an 18 volt output and the OCD will run at 18v that makes sense.

 

[mhammer]

Some Fuzz-Face derivatives (the '69 is one of those) use NPN transistors and a standard tip-negative power supply. Others use PNP transistors and require a tip-positive supply. But sometimes they can include what is called a "charge pump" - a magical chip that can provide a +/- supply from a + input, or a negative supply from a positive input, or a higher voltage supply from a +9V input. Verify what your '69 pedal requires, and adhere to that.

Some pedals will run cleaner with a higher-voltage power supply, because it gives them more headroom. And some, like the OCD will simply run "differently". In the case of pedals that use op-amp chips and clip via diodes to ground, many gain settings will push the chip past its headroom limits and result in clipping within the chip itself, the chip's output is then clipped a second time b the diodes to ground. Raising headroom via a higher supply voltage will raise the headroom of the op-amp chip. It won't completely eliminate any clipping within the chip, but until you move the gain/drive control above 12:00 or higher, most of the clipping will come from the diodes, only becoming a "double clipper" at much higher gain settings. You may like that, or you may not. Clearly Bluesrocker does, which is neither good nor bad.

Some pedals actually DO run "better" at higher supply voltages. I have a couple of old Boss BF-1 flangers, which can only run off external power (they would kill a battery before the gig was over). The chassis says 9VDC, but the service document with the schematic says 12VDC. In that particular case the pedal does run better, largely because the additional voltage allows the sweep to be perceptibly wider.

Just as fewer volts sometimes, but does not always, bring out the best in a distortion or fuzz pedal, MORE volts does not always improve a pedal's performance. There is nothing especially "magical" about +9V. But the majority of pedals are designed to perform quite acceptably, using a 9V battery or equivalent supply. "Good enough" might be improved upon, or may bethe best the circuit actually can do,

 

[Fenderaficionado]

I went ahead and returned the CS7 and ordered the CS12 to allow for more outputs, including 2X 18v. I did not like the fact that I had to run daisy chains. As well, I want to be able to expand a bit more and make room for another pedal or two down the road.

 

[Mark Brown]

I went ahead and returned the CS7 and ordered the CS12 to allow for more outputs, including 2X 18v. I did not like the fact that I had to run daisy chains. As well, I want to be able to expand a bit more and make room for another pedal or two down the road.

That is kind of a silly approach. It isnt like sharing supplies is a bad thing. Hell I run all these, including two at 18V off a Fender Engine Room Lv. 5. That thing only has 5 500mV supplies at 9V.

You do you and all, it isnt like it's wrong.... but it is kind of silly.

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

I went ahead and returned the CS7 and ordered the CS12 to allow for more outputs, including 2X 18v. I did not like the fact that I had to run daisy chains. As well, I want to be able to expand a bit more and make room for another pedal or two down the road.

like everyone here told you, there was no problem running a few pedals together on one output. Were you previously running a separate wall plug adapter for every pedal?

I used a CS7 for years with 8 or 9 pedals without any issues. The CS12 is overkill for your application.

 

[Thunderboy1975]

@Mark Brown Your pedal board..kinda looks like a modified litter box?