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Hi all, a few months back I bought a green board USA built version Fender Pro junior (black, not tweed). Someone had put an Eminence blue frame 10 in it and I love that speaker. I tried my silver face Princeton reverb through it as well and love it. But It started developing a pretty bad buzz on fade out. After taking it in to Vancouver Audio clinic the long time speaker rebuilders here, they found the paper former around the coil burned up. Typical for these speakers. They can rebuild it with a kapton former for $100, but if they're using a kapton former and not paper(I do need to ask if they can rebuild it with a paper version) then why not just buy the new black frame version from Eminence for $113 from Nextgen?
I know that the kapton version has a much higher wattage rating so the chances of blowing it again is minimal, I worry about the tone changing. Obviously whoever owned this amp before played it wound it out. I don't use it much above 1/4 to 1/3 way on the amp. It's loud enough at that point to keep up with the country band I play with.
So has anyone had any experience comparing the two versions of this speaker? I don't want to change to a ceramic speaker as it doesn't have the tone I want(I've tried several pj's with that speaker).

Thanks!

 

[greco]

Is this the speaker you are referring to?

I have one but I have no clue as to what the former is made of. It also has a repair of a small tear in the cone.

 

[Granny Gremlin]

It can be rebuilt with paper - the VC on that thing is not going to be esoteric or weird. Probably a Jensen style would work and they still make those with paper formers IIRC.

That all said, I really don't think former material makes any difference. It is by definition an inert material just there so you have something to wrap the coil around. It's not even visible so there is no real consideration for authenticity either.

The differences attributed to tonal variation between speakers with paper vs kapton are largely attributable to other factors; other differences in construction of older vs more modern speakers.

 

[topboost]

Fair enough. I've been reading the whole debate about paper vs. Kapton and really, I guess the speaker is going to sound different after rebuilding regardless of what former is used.
Greco:
Mine is similar, but has a Legend decal on the magnet and no serial numbers anywhere. Hence why I figure it was a speaker installed by a PO.

 

[Kerry Brown]

There is a Jensen P10R for sale here:

Speakers for sale

I have one in my Pro Junior. It was a huge improvement over the Ragin Cajun that was in it when I got it.

 

[topboost]

I've never been a fan of modern Jensens. Way too bright for me.
Granted those have been the 12's in blues juniors, but couldn't run away fast enough. Painful with a Tele.

There is a Jensen P10R for sale here:

Speakers for sale

I have one in my Pro Junior. It was a huge improvement over the Ragin Cajun that was in it when I got it.

 

[greco]

@topboost
Terry, the owner of Qcomponents locally is very knowledgeable about speakers in general and very friendly/approachable.
They are the sole distributor for Eminence speakers for Canada.
Their toll free number is: 1-800-363-6336
You might enjoy talking to him and getting his comments/thoughts.

 

[Granny Gremlin]

Fair enough. I've been reading the whole debate about paper vs. Kapton and really, I guess the speaker is going to sound different after rebuilding regardless of what former is used.
Greco:
Mine is similar, but has a Legend decal on the magnet and no serial numbers anywhere. Hence why I figure it was a speaker installed by a PO.

The main diff after a recone (even assuming all the exact same NOS parts) is brand new cone vs worn/fatigued cone - the nature of the breakup especially is greatly affected by this. For instrument speakers, this is half the point of 'break in.'

If all the same parts are used, it will sound the same (eventually).

 

[topboost]

Thanks all, after looking a prices for speakers, other than wanting to keep the look of a blue frame speaker(which I do like) there's no point reconing it since it's going to be the same or slightly more than the new 1028k.
So I will keep looking for either a used speaker or a cheaper new one. I'm quickly getting upside down with this amp. Both tone and volume controls have failed now.
Anyone have a link to a parts distributor in Canada for these Fender pots?

 

[greco]

So I will keep looking for either a used speaker or a cheaper new one.

PM me if you can't find anything and want to consider mine.
Remember, it has a cone repair!

 

[topboost]

Pm sent

 

[greco]

This might be of interest ???...
Eminence Legend 1058 - 8 ohm

 

[TWRC]

I actually might be selling my Legend 1058. I'm currently on the hunt for something different / new.

 

[topboost]

I've looked at those. Wonder how much different it is from the alnico version?

Feel free to send me the details. It's pretty cheap to buy new, however.