The Canadian Guitar Forum banner
Cancel

My beloved Eminence blue frame 10 is dead, rebuild?

1558 Views 13 Replies 5 Participants Last post by  topboost, 
T
Hi all, a few months back I bought a green board USA built version Fender Pro junior (black, not tweed). Someone had put an Eminence blue frame 10 in it and I love that speaker. I tried my silver face Princeton reverb through it as well and love it. But It started developing a pretty bad buzz on fade out. After taking it in to Vancouver Audio clinic the long time speaker rebuilders here, they found the paper former around the coil burned up. Typical for these speakers. They can rebuild it with a kapton former for $100, but if they're using a kapton former and not paper(I do need to ask if they can rebuild it with a paper version) then why not just buy the new black frame version from Eminence for $113 from Nextgen?
I know that the kapton version has a much higher wattage rating so the chances of blowing it again is minimal, I worry about the tone changing. Obviously whoever owned this amp before played it wound it out. I don't use it much above 1/4 to 1/3 way on the amp. It's loud enough at that point to keep up with the country band I play with.
So has anyone had any experience comparing the two versions of this speaker? I don't want to change to a ceramic speaker as it doesn't have the tone I want(I've tried several pj's with that speaker).

Thanks!
Reply
Save
Like
1 - 14 of 14 Posts
greco
Is this the speaker you are referring to?

I have one but I have no clue as to what the former is made of. It also has a repair of a small tear in the cone.
See less See more
Reply
Save
Like
Granny Gremlin
It can be rebuilt with paper - the VC on that thing is not going to be esoteric or weird. Probably a Jensen style would work and they still make those with paper formers IIRC.

That all said, I really don't think former material makes any difference. It is by definition an inert material just there so you have something to wrap the coil around. It's not even visible so there is no real consideration for authenticity either.

The differences attributed to tonal variation between speakers with paper vs kapton are largely attributable to other factors; other differences in construction of older vs more modern speakers.
Reply
Save
Like
T
Fair enough. I've been reading the whole debate about paper vs. Kapton and really, I guess the speaker is going to sound different after rebuilding regardless of what former is used.
Greco:
Mine is similar, but has a Legend decal on the magnet and no serial numbers anywhere. Hence why I figure it was a speaker installed by a PO.
Reply
Save
Like
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Kerry Brown
There is a Jensen P10R for sale here:

Speakers for sale

I have one in my Pro Junior. It was a huge improvement over the Ragin Cajun that was in it when I got it.
Reply
Save
Like
T
I've never been a fan of modern Jensens. Way too bright for me.
Granted those have been the 12's in blues juniors, but couldn't run away fast enough. Painful with a Tele.

Kerry Brown said:
There is a Jensen P10R for sale here:

Speakers for sale

I have one in my Pro Junior. It was a huge improvement over the Ragin Cajun that was in it when I got it.
Click to expand...
Reply
Save
Like
greco
@topboost
Terry, the owner of Qcomponents locally is very knowledgeable about speakers in general and very friendly/approachable.
They are the sole distributor for Eminence speakers for Canada.
Their toll free number is: 1-800-363-6336
You might enjoy talking to him and getting his comments/thoughts.
Reply
Save
Like
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Granny Gremlin
topboost said:
Fair enough. I've been reading the whole debate about paper vs. Kapton and really, I guess the speaker is going to sound different after rebuilding regardless of what former is used.
Greco:
Mine is similar, but has a Legend decal on the magnet and no serial numbers anywhere. Hence why I figure it was a speaker installed by a PO.
Click to expand...
The main diff after a recone (even assuming all the exact same NOS parts) is brand new cone vs worn/fatigued cone - the nature of the breakup especially is greatly affected by this. For instrument speakers, this is half the point of 'break in.'

If all the same parts are used, it will sound the same (eventually).
Reply
Save
Like
T
Thanks all, after looking a prices for speakers, other than wanting to keep the look of a blue frame speaker(which I do like) there's no point reconing it since it's going to be the same or slightly more than the new 1028k.
So I will keep looking for either a used speaker or a cheaper new one. I'm quickly getting upside down with this amp. Both tone and volume controls have failed now.
Anyone have a link to a parts distributor in Canada for these Fender pots?
Reply
Save
Like
greco
topboost said:
So I will keep looking for either a used speaker or a cheaper new one.
Click to expand...
PM me if you can't find anything and want to consider mine.
Remember, it has a cone repair!
Reply
Save
Like
T
Pm sent
Reply
Save
Like
  • Like
Reactions: 1
greco
This might be of interest ???...
Eminence Legend 1058 - 8 ohm
See less See more
Reply
Save
Like
TWRC
I actually might be selling my Legend 1058. I'm currently on the hunt for something different / new.
Reply
Save
Like
T
I've looked at those. Wonder how much different it is from the alnico version?

Feel free to send me the details. It's pretty cheap to buy new, however.
Reply
Save
Like
1 - 14 of 14 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
The Canadian Guitar Forum
A forum community dedicated to guitar owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about collections, displays, models, styles, amps, modifications, kits, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Explore Our Forums
The Open Mic (Non Music Related) Electric Guitar Amps and Cabs Music Effects Pedals, Strings and more
Top