The Canadian Guitar Forum banner

1 - 20 of 30 Posts

·
Administrator
Joined
·
15,823 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I see where Imus and his comments cost him his simulcast on MSNBC. Outrageous and totally uncalled for comments, but this could be extreme. I find it comical that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are leading the crusade though. Howard Stern is certainly having a blast with it all. He is loving it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
635 Posts
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are a couple of hypocritical fools. Always out there with their manufactured indignance about something or other. Cameras have gotta be rolling though- otherwise they probably don't have much to say. Those two are the definition of "attention whore".

What that Imus guy said was kind of out of line, but really, that kind of inflammatory stuff is said a million times a day by ignoramuses like him on talk radio. He just got caught (and was white). Haha. And now we get to hear allllllllll about it, which is fantastic. Just when I thought I couldn't know more about Anna Nicole Smith they've abandoned that old story. Now I get to learn about some old radio dummy that I'd never heard of before.
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
15,823 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
You are, of course correct on all accounts. It is really funny to see the way these things work. Foolish comments yes, but if we are looking strictly at foolish comments, there are tons to choose from.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
635 Posts
GuitarsCanada said:
...but if we are looking strictly at foolish comments, there are tons to choose from.
No kidding. Every once in a while some poor sucker like Imus happens to say the wrong thing at the wrong time and becomes a lightning rod for controversy. Whether the comment was really worth of controversy or not.

I'm not saying that excuses what he said. It doesn't at all. But really, when you hear the comment in context and the way he said it, it really wasn't that bad. I looks horrible in print and when repeated in a deadpan or even angry way by some newscaster though.

See, the thing is, I have no idea if this Imus guy is really a racist or not. What he said didn't seem all that racist to me. Certainly in bad taste and probably quite ignorant.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
790 Posts
He's been a loudmouth dickweed for his entire 30 year broadcasting career. This was the last straw and he pushed the envelope too far. I for one am glad they fired him. If I made a comment like that to a customer at my work I would be tossed out the door faster than you can make a B.S. apology. He called a group of young women's basketball players, "A bunch of nappy headed ho's" which basically translates to "A bunch of black whores" simply because the team members happen to be predominantly African-American. Wouldn't you agree that if he called every player on your own daughter's sports team a whore that you'd think he should be fired. I for one do not see the logic in arguing that what he said didn't warrant termination. He said this on air to millions of people nationwide - this wasn't him and a buddy getting overheard at the water cooler.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,720 Posts
nine said:
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are a couple of hypocritical fools. Always out there with their manufactured indignance about something or other. Cameras have gotta be rolling though- otherwise they probably don't have much to say. Those two are the definition of "attention whore".

What that Imus guy said was kind of out of line, but really, that kind of inflammatory stuff is said a million times a day by ignoramuses like him on talk radio. He just got caught (and was white). Haha. And now we get to hear allllllllll about it, which is fantastic. Just when I thought I couldn't know more about Anna Nicole Smith they've abandoned that old story. Now I get to learn about some old radio dummy that I'd never heard of before.
Not defending Imus, but I totally agree about Jackson and Sharpton. About a year or two ago, they were both defending black rappers who use those same words or worse.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
666 Posts
GuitarsCanada said:
You are, of course correct on all accounts. It is really funny to see the way these things work. Foolish comments yes, but if we are looking strictly at foolish comments, there are tons to choose from.

Imus should never work again. He is an azzhole, and deserves what he is getting. You want foolish comments?? Guitar bulletin boards are full of 'em.:zzz:

CT.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,740 Posts
mario said:
Not defending Imus, but I totally agree about Jackson and Sharpton. About a year or two ago, they were both defending black rappers who use those same words or worse.
...i don't get this.

lots of folks make racist and bigotted comments. are we supposed to give imus a free pass simply because he is not the only person that has ever uttered a racist insult?

what an odd rationale. when someone gets charged with murder, do we say, "hey, look, other people have committed murder too, you know"?

-dh
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,176 Posts
Powdered Toast Man said:
He's been a loudmouth dickweed for his entire 30 year broadcasting career. This was the last straw and he pushed the envelope too far. I for one am glad they fired him. If I made a comment like that to a customer at my work I would be tossed out the door faster than you can make a B.S. apology. He called a group of young women's basketball players, "A bunch of nappy headed ho's" which basically translates to "A bunch of black whores" simply because the team members happen to be predominantly African-American. Wouldn't you agree that if he called every player on your own daughter's sports team a whore that you'd think he should be fired. I for one do not see the logic in arguing that what he said didn't warrant termination. He said this on air to millions of people nationwide - this wasn't him and a buddy getting overheard at the water cooler.
Ya it's a well known fact that Imus is a racist and a misogynist and has made remarks like this for years. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

I know people will say, well Howard Stern is just as bad. The difference is Stern's material is sarcasm, and comedy and is mainly used to show the silliness of such attitudes. Imus is purely a racist.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,256 Posts
Do any of you in the GTA listen to The Fan 590?
Bob McCowan had a round table on the topic that was very informative.
Apparently, this Imus guy was trying to be funny and mimic the way hip hop artist speak? I don't know the real facts because I never heard his comments.

While he was definitely showing poor taste in his comments, Bob made a very valid point! If the black community does not want to hear these types of comments in the future, their own community has to stop using these words as well.

Another great point he brought up was bringing up comedians like Chris Rock who makes fun of his race and uses the "N" word in his routine to add to the comedy. As a white person, is it ok to laugh if you are sitting within an audience of black people?
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,176 Posts
If you look back into his career you will find he has been fired many times for the same thing. People on these news shows seem to neglect to mention that part of it. The guy is a full on racist scumbag. This is just ONE case. And it's getting more attention this time (a) because of situations like the Mel Gibson and Kramer ones, and (b) because this time he was on TV.

If you think this is some slip of the toungue, or that he was doing some skit, research the guy you are defending.

What the black community does or doesn't do has nothing to do with one white redneck racist who finally is getting what he's had coming to him for years.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,256 Posts
torndownunit said:
If you look back into his career you will find he has been fired many times for the same thing. People on these news shows seem to neglect to mention that part of it. The guy is a full on racist scumbag. This is just ONE case. And it's getting more attention this time (a) because of situations like the Mel Gibson and Kramer ones, and (b) because this time he was on TV.

If you think this is some slip of the toungue, or that he was doing some skit, research the guy you are defending.

What the black community does or doesn't do has nothing to do with one white redneck racist who finally is getting what he's had coming to him for years.
I am not defending the guy at all, but I am willing to listen to other arguments and not be offended by them.

The point on the Black community having to take some responsibility for this can be valid one. If a black person can use these words, why can't a white person?

Personally, I don't think its right that anyone uses those types of words.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,176 Posts
Well in this case because it's done out of pure hatred.

I can see your argument when it applies to use of the terms that have become common in hip-hop culture. And seems to have become common even for whites in that case.

While I think that is sad as well, there is a HUGE difference between using those words in 'lingo' and using them to promote hatred. You forget about the fact that Imus is a complete Misogynist as well. He was insulting them for being black AND being successful women. And again, it's an issue of a LONG history of this stuff. Way before the use of the words in Hip Hop culture started being a bigger issue as it is now.

The guy is a complete scumbag plain and simple.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,176 Posts
Sorry if my posts were a little harsh earlier. It's just upsetting because IMO there is no other way a comment like "Nappy headed ho's" can be taken. Him saying he was doing it as a hip-hop reference is ridiculous. Where in life do you ever hear someone refer to a black person as 'nappy headed' and it be considered anything but racism? It's just ridiculous.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,256 Posts
torndownunit said:
Sorry if my posts were a little harsh earlier. It's just upsetting because IMO there is no other way a comment like "Nappy headed ho's" can be taken. Him saying he was doing it as a hip-hop reference is ridiculous. Where in life do you ever hear someone refer to a black person as 'nappy headed' and it be considered anything but racism? It's just ridiculous.
Here are some links to hip hop lyrics from the web.
Lyrics

More Lyrics

Here's a good article from the Boston Globe:
Article
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,176 Posts
Ok, well feel free to go out and call some black people 'nappy headed ho's' tomorrow. You can always quote those articles to them afterwards. I am sure they will completely understand.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,256 Posts
torndownunit said:
Ok, well feel free to go out and call some black people 'nappy headed ho's' tomorrow. You can always quote those articles to them afterwards. I am sure they will completely understand.
You're missing the point, the article, and Bob McCowan are trying to make?

Nobody should be using these word.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
635 Posts
Imus didn't refer to anyone as a "jigaboo". Do some reading, everyone.

Honestly, do you think that if he referred to the team as "jigaboos", anyone would be paying attention to him saying "nappy headed hos"? Come on.
 
1 - 20 of 30 Posts
Top