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There are a number of factors, of course. The following article points out all of the various factors, the biggest factor may surprise many of us. I have highlighted it in the article. Did you think it was this or something else?

Guitaronomics: How Much Does it Actually Cost to Build a Guitar?

“No one in the industry is going to give you their cost-plus pricing,” said everyone in the industry.

But then someone did.

An executive at a guitar manufacturer recently spoke with Reverb about the manufacturing and cost realities of the guitar industry. For the sake of consistency, he selected a base-level, generic slab-body, two-pickup T-Style guitar with a bolt-on neck for his reference point.

Labor Costs and Quality
The cost of the core materials – meaning necks, bodies and components such as tuners, pickups, wiring and switches – are not significantly different from one place to the other, he says, though they do vary significantly at various levels of quality. The bulk of a guitar’s cost, and the source of much of the cost variability is in the labor, which is largely a function of geography.

At this point, essentially all of the major factories now use the same CNC machines to carve out parts, whether they are in China, Indonesia, Korea, Mexico or the United States. The person running the CNC machine is not one who adds the biggest labor cost.

The amount of handwork that goes into sanding, fitting and finishing every nook and cranny on a body and a neck is way more than everybody thinks"
“The amount of handwork that goes into sanding, fitting and finishing every nook and cranny on a body and a neck is way more than everybody thinks,” he says, and the cost is not the only concern. Quality, which manifests in the attention to detail on the fit and finish – including the paint and fret work and everything else associated with assembling and setting up the guitar – is a determining factor in the retail value of the product.

To illustrate the outsized impact that labor costs have on the cost of goods, he offered an even more simple illustration: hardshell cases, which his company sources from a builder in North America.

“Our cost for a guitar case that we sell for $99 is about $45 or $50. It’s maybe $2 less for a mandolin case, which is a quarter of the size,” he says. “Labor is 95% of the cost. The case itself is just plywood wrapped in black Tolex, but the labor is the same for both case. People ask me why we sell a bass case for $100 and mando case for $100. The answer is the labor.”


Comparison of Basic Build Costs by Country

And the cost of labor doubles when production is moved from China to Indonesia and then doubles from Indonesia to Korea and then doubles again as compared to the cost of labor in the United States, he explains.

The other big variable is volume.

“I visited a factory in China that was spitting out 2,000 right-handed sunburst Beatle basses. It’s way easier to make 2,000 of something than 24 in blue and 24 in red and having to change the assembly setup.”

For the Beatle basses, everything down to the packaging was identical, and the cumulative impact on pricing is dramatic. “That’s why those things sell for $299 at Musician’s Friend,” he says. “They make a ton of them at a time.”

For smaller builders, because the production runs are so much shorter and smaller, it’s impossible to get the price point that a larger-volume producer does. This is true for any consumer item. “If people wonder why they are paying $600 for [a smaller brand] guitar made in China, it’s because they don’t scale like the Beatle bass,” the guitar executive says.

Cost of Sales, Marketing and Operations
While the cost of components is flat across geographies, and labor is a big differentiator, the cost of sales and marketing has the most impact on the final cost to the consumer.

Let’s say I buy $200 T-Styles out of Indonesia ... It’s going to have a manufacturer’s suggested price of at least four to five times that.”
“Let’s say I buy $200 T-Styles out of Indonesia. What do you think the price of that guitar should be?” he asks. “It’s going to have a manufacturer’s suggested price of at least four to five times that,” he says. “Then you have the street price, which is probably 15% or 20% off of that.”

The reason for the markup is the many hands a guitar has to pass through before it gets to the consumer. Obviously, a guitar’s maker, distributor and dealer each need to make money on every guitar. And at each step in that process, the cost increases by a minimum of 50% – more likely, 100%.

“This is basic economics,” he says. For any consumer product, 50% to 75% of the cost is not the product and includes the costs associated with transportation, warehousing, personnel, benefits and computers. “That’s why we don’t make Nike running shoes in California. They’d cost $600 per pair. They probably cost less than $30 to make.” And it’s the same reason that guitars built in China very seldom include boutique pickups.

The High Cost of Upgrading Components
“We have this debate often. We build our own version of an ES-335 and put our Chinese-made version of [boutique brand pickup] in there. If I’m street pricing that guitar for $500, that means I have to sell it to the dealer for $320, so there’s enough profit in it for them. I need to be making it for $150 – certainly under $200 – to make it profitable for me,” he says.

“If I put actual USA-made boutique pickups in, they cost almost as much as the guitar itself. Even if they give me those pickups for $100, that brings my cost from $150 to $250, and I have to almost double my price to the dealer,” he explains. “Then the dealer has to sell it for almost $900 just because I added $100 pickups. It’s just the distribution model. That’s why you rarely see guitars with boutique pickups for less than $1,500. There has to be enough profit for the manufacturer, the pickup maker, the distributor and the dealer.”

What It Actually Costs to Build a Guitar
“If you want to build a generic slab-body, two-pickup with a bolt-on neck — a T-Style — in China, it’s going to cost the manufacturer $50 to $100,” he says, if you use the bare-bones quality necks, tuners and components.

“If you use better-quality components, you can hit $100 easily. You end up in the $200 range in Indonesia, which is the $400 range in Korea. If you carry those same components to the U.S., it’s likely $1,000 to $1,400.”

His final word of advice to buyers is to upgrade those pickups yourself.
 

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well someone really raided the brain trust for that article....is any of this a surprise, to anyone?

I would think that applies to just about any manufacturing scenario
 

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@cheezyridr ,I hope you know it was a sarcastic comment I was trying to make. given the choice I would buy an American or Mexican instrument over the Asian ones
 

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Great article...

So, basically, USA made instruments are more expensive due to labor cost... Not quality...
Yes and no. You missed the highlighted part which says: "While the cost of components is flat across geographies, and labor is a big differentiator, the cost of sales and marketing has the most impact on the final cost to the consumer.
 

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Like everything else in life, guitars cost what they cost because that’s what people will pay.

There’s nothing more to it than that.

What it costs them is irrelevant.
They’re always making a killing.

Now if this thread had been about what it costs you or I to build a guitar, like say a Partsocaster, well that’s another discussion and one I’d be interested in hearing about.
 
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well someone really raided the brain trust for that article....is any of this a surprise, to anyone?

I would think that applies to just about any manufacturing scenario
Not just manufacturing.

I was totally "wripped off" last night. I paid $60 for materials that were probably $7 or $8, at most $10. I mean, all they did was cook the stuff. Why charge so much for heat? Really?

Even worse, you should see what they charge for <$1 worth of grapes? Ridiculous. I should have stayed at home, ate KD and drank toilet water. I would have still been full, right? Right?

Like the OP, I plan on taking all my money 'with me' when I die. I should quit wasting it on such luxuries. I'm such a wasteful bastard.
 

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I hear you! I paid well over a $1,000.00 for a few pounds of grapes during the past year.
It sounds like a lot of sales and marketing went into those grapes. I hope they weren't sour grapes.;)
 
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I gave up on Ontario wine
 
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