[tdotrob]

Yes, it would.

That guitar goes from a holding depot into a transfer truck, this time of year thats got to be a solid 40 degree differential. It stays there for a couple of days. The damage is done long before it gets to your house.


Yeah, that's what I said.

I want to know what happens if you open the case right away do you see the finish run like a spider web right before your eyes? Has anyone ever seen this? Cause I’ve opened plenty of nitro guitars moments after arriving in minus thirty and plugged em right in and No checking at all, and I’ve have had other that arrived with some checking that I figured happened it transit but it’s not like it got worse ONCE I opened the case.

None of this makes sense to me, are cases so insulated it keeps the freezing cold from the back of the truck in so well it takes a full 24 hours to get to room temp and absorb humidity from the room slowly as opposed to being out of the case.

It doesn’t make sense.

Oh and op that sucks hard. In my world once I take detailed pics of the packing process and condition while doing so and it leaves my hand it’s no longer my problem at all. I’ll help with a claim if needed but other than that tough shit. I always operate with the impression I assume that risk as a buyer as well.

 

[Okay Player]

Has anyone ever seen this? Cause I’ve opened plenty of nitro guitars moments after arriving in minus thirty

I bet you drove there in a heated car.

 

[tdotrob]

It's not the absolute temperatures or the delta between temperatures, it's how fast the the temperature of the finish changes. And a guitar case is a great insulator... until you open it. Your example of a 40 degree delta doesn't matter if the guitar is in the case and inside a box, the temperature change will be slow enough to not cause an issue.

I’m not sure guitar cases are that great of insulator to stop checking I have toured with nitro finish guitars in the gear trailer in -30/40 in their nice cases and when you take em inside them mofo’s are cold af.

 

[tdotrob]

I bet you drove there in a heated car.

Drove where. I’m talking guitars I’ve had delivered to my door in -30 that I saw come from the back of a truck.

 

[BlueRocker]

It's not the absolute temperatures or the delta between temperatures, it's how fast the the temperature of the finish changes. And a guitar case is a great insulator... until you open it. Your example of a 40 degree delta doesn't matter if the guitar is in the case and inside a box, the temperature change will be slow enough to not cause an issue.

I believe this to be the correct answer.

 

[guitarman2]

Cause I’ve opened plenty of nitro guitars moments after arriving in minus thirty and plugged em right in and No checking at all,

This is my experience as well. I never wait to open guitars that have been shipped even in extreme weather. But I realize the risks and would never hold a seller liable if I'm not avoiding the risks.
I've even put nitro guitars outside in the middle of a cold winter for about 2 or 3 hours then brought it in the house infront of the fireplace. Nothing, no checking whatsoever.

 

[Mark Brown]

I want to know what happens if you open the case right away do you see the finish run like a spider web right before your eyes? Has anyone ever seen this? Cause I’ve opened plenty of nitro guitars moments after arriving in minus thirty and plugged em right in and No checking at all, and I’ve have had other that arrived with some checking that I figured happened it transit but it’s not like it got worse ONCE I opened the case.

None of this makes sense to me, are cases so insulated it keeps the freezing cold from the back of the truck in so well it takes a full 24 hours to get to room temp and absorb humidity from the room slowly as opposed to being out of the case.

It doesn’t make sense.

Oh and op that sucks hard. In my world once I take detailed pics of the packing process and condition while doing so and it leaves my hand it’s no longer my problem at all. I’ll help with a claim if needed but other than that tough shit. I always operate with the impression I assume that risk as a buyer as well.

Stop it, you are speaking counter to the lore!!!

Next you'll come after science!

 

[tdotrob]

This is my experience as well. I never wait to open guitars that have been shipped even in extreme weather. But I realize the risks and would never hold a seller liable if I'm not avoiding the risks.
I've even put nitro guitars outside in the middle of a cold winter for about 2 or 3 hours then brought it in the house infront of the fireplace. Nothing, no checking whatsoever.

Right! so when it happens guys open the case and see the finish crack before your eyes? If it’s from opening the case early you would see it happen? Like open case and it’s fine then hour later fully checked? Guitar doesn’t anticipate your opening the case so if you open and the finish is all cracked to hell then clearly it happened in transit while still in case.

If that’s the case I’m only ever buying Les Pauls during a cold snap.

 

[tdotrob]

Stop it, you are speaking counter to to lore!!!

Next you'll come after science!

Wonder if it’s possible that big companies started the 24hr rule Just to cut down on returns from guitars shipped in the cold.

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Guys, I appreciate the sentiment but a quick Google search will tell you that 95% of “item arrived significantly not as described” PayPal disputes come down in favour of the buyer. Unfortunately the buyer has a lot of power in this situation. (This is exactly the same problem with Reverb too).

 

[laristotle]

Next you'll come after science!

Ah, but the new science is dictated by consensus, don'cha know.

 

[laristotle]

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[Actionman]

Both parties should have talked about shipping guitars in the winter and the challenges it imposes.
I never open a guitar that's been shipped from anywhere, any time of the year without a 24-48 hour acclimation period.

 

[gtrguy]

Maybe a song will wake up the nanochipped idiot - You're a Vaxx Taker

Maybe a song will wake up the nanochipped idiot - You're a Vaxx Taker https://odysee.com/@HighImpactFlix:c/Feb-5-vaxx-taker:3

www.bitchute.com

And we got from lacquer cracking in cold temps to this how exactly? Talk about your off topic posts...

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Both parties should have talked about shipping guitars in the winter and the challenges it imposes.
I never open a guitar that's been shipped from anywhere, any time of the year without a 24-48 hour acclimation period.

I don't think it would have mattered

 

[laristotle]

And we got from lacquer cracking in cold temps to this how exactly? Talk about your off topic posts...

Ack! I was in the wrong thread. Sorry.

 

[Mark Brown]

I don't think it would have mattered with this kind of buyer.

I already know how this is going to go. He's taking it to a luthier for inspection on the finish crack on the neck. He's going to come back and say something like, "Well, my luthier thinks kinda maybe it might be structural but he's not sure. So I'd like to return it." He wanted to return it the moment he opened the case and everything after that has been pussyfooting around. I think I maybe surprised him by agreeing to the partial refund as compensation so now he's digging to find a reason to return it.

I made a HUGE mistake by working out a settlement with him outside of the Paypal dispute system (like Paypal encourages you to). If he'd have filed a dispute and we arrived at $250 and he accepted the settlement then that would be it. He could not refile. But I unknowingly left him that card and he's going to play it.

I think you are on the money on that one.

 

[oldjoat]

Ack! I was in the wrong thread. Sorry.

no you weren't ... just comic relief

 

[Fred Gifford]

Maybe. Maybe not. And that's the rub. PP rep said he could still open a dispute and potentially be entitled to a full refund because "the goods arrived in a condition other than what was advertised." I agree with everyone's sentiment here, and if he'd paid via EMT I would have told him tough titty already. But he's got the PP buyer's protection in his back pocket. Maybe he'd lose the claim, but it's enough to tie up the funds for a good while and then I'm screwed if I lost the claim. So I'm basically held hostage.

And a quick Google search will tell you that PP sides with the buyer 95% of the time.

don't get your hopes up .. PayPal doesn't give a flying $uck about you or anybody else, it doesn't matter if you are 100% right, they will side with the buyer, conversely they are short-sighted and stupid as there are two parties involved in a transaction, In my case I got royally screwed by them and the buyer's lies won over mine .however, I cancelled Ebay/PayPal and have never used either since, so they kind of won the battle but lost the war .

 

[Fred Gifford]

I don't think it would have mattered with this kind of buyer.

I already know how this is going to go. He's taking it to a luthier for inspection on the finish crack on the neck. He's going to come back and say something like, "Well, my luthier thinks kinda maybe it might be structural but he's not sure. So I'd like to return it." He wanted to return it the moment he opened the case and everything after that has been pussyfooting around. I think I maybe surprised him by agreeing to the partial refund as compensation so now he's digging to find a reason to return it.

I made a HUGE mistake by working out a settlement with him outside of the Paypal dispute system (like Paypal encourages you to). If he'd have filed a dispute and we arrived at $250 and he accepted the settlement then that would be it. He could not refile. But I unknowingly left him that card and he's going to play it.

I have seen a lot of people try to shake sellers down using the PayPal system, they get the guitar (as in the guy might actually like the checking,) find an imaginary defect and then tell the seller they want a full-refund BUT they might consider keeping the guitar if you knock, say 30% off .. watch what his "luthier" says about finish checking, I suspect it will be a HUGE $$$ deal .. I would just refund the money and have it returned and then sell without using PayPal next time