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I just sold a guitar via private sale long distance (Kijiji). It's a nitro finish. Of course it's winter. Buyer just received the guitar and he messaged me that the finish is cracked (checked) and it was not before I sent it.

How do I respond to this?
 
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This is probably a reason that you shouldn't ship guitars in the winter. Especially with this extreme cold we just had. If it were me I'd probably live with it. I might try to get a bit of a discount. Not much to be unfair to the seller. For me the checking might look good.
One thing you don't know is, did the buyer not let the guitar warm up before he unpacked it. Could be a little his fault.
Now if I'm the seller and this happened. I'd offer a discount of an amount I'd be comfortable with or offer that they ship the guitar back and I'd refund. I'm not saying you (the OP) should do that. That's probably what I'd do.
 

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Did he wait to open it? If he is particular about that sort of thing.. the onus would be on him to wait.
The tracker showed it delivered this morning and within an hour he messaged me with photos of the checking. So he did not wait. He says the case was warm and the guitar was also warm
 

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Man sorry to hear about this. This one of the reasons why i don't sell my gear on Kijiji. I buy from kijiji and only buy ones that are for sale locally. So much stuff to deal with when shipping gear. And the people you deal with, you can't be sure.
Good luck and hopefully it gets resolved.
 

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You cannot be held liable for conditions outside of your control in my opinion.

You didn't ship a checked guitar, that's the end of that.

I can see how a buyer might be upset but wtf are you supposed to do? You don't control the weather.
 

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The right time to have the discussion would have been before shipping the guitar. If your photos show no checking, I'd move on - not my problem.
 

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Anyone buying a nitro finished guitar should know that it is going to check at one time or another and shipping it through the Canadian winter is only going to expedite that process. So long as you can prove that it wasn't checked before you shipped it at least you can dismiss yourself of any type of dishonest sale and I would move on.

At least the relic on it is natural. Tell them you saved them the purchase of a bottle of compressed air.
 

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I like how @jbealsmusic has a warning on products on the Next Gen Guitars site for products that should not be shipped in the winter. I don't think it should be required, but it's a smart move to combat some people's questionable decisions. Shipping guitars in the wintertime probably should have the same warning, especially if going cross-country where several different temperatures could be experienced. Please note, I'm not blaming the OP for not providing such a warning. It would help to ask the buyer, "Are you sure you want me to ship this now?" But at the same time, the buyer should bear responsibility for seeking out an item that needs to be shipped a long distance in the cold.

One question is should the buyer have known better? Is this their first nitro guitar, or are they a collector who has purchased lots of similar guitars? If it's some kid who didn't know better and was so excited to look at their new guitar and they didn't know to wait, that might sway your decision making compared to someone who has done this several times before.

I presume the OP is not a shop, and so the buyer should expect to assume the risk for choosing to get a deal by purchasing from a distance rather than buying locally. If you wanted to "go above and beyond", try to determine how much the checking has affected the value and offer to refund half of the difference. Clearly the buyer should assume at least half of the responsibility for the issue as they did not wait several hours to allow the package to acclimate. If they don't want to go that route, allow them to ship it back to you (at their expense) and refund the purchase price minus half of the difference in value as a "restocking fee" when the guitar arrives back in good condition (you need to incentivize the buyer to do a good packing job and adequately insure the shipment). As a private transaction, I think both of those options go far beyond what a typical Kijiji purchaser should expect.
 

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Perhaps I'd start by asking him what he wants. If it's a few bucks off then be done with it. If nobody is gonna end up happy then I believe that the seller has to make an insurance claim with the shipping company - not the buyer. The you refund his money and either get the guitar back or the insurance company owns it. If you get it back then relist it as with some checking..
 

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I agreed to refund him $250 of the purchase price and call it a day. He's willing to keep the guitar as I'd rather not risk having it shipped back and then trying to sell it in it's new condition. Last time I ever ship a guitar in the winter.
 

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Perhaps I'd start by asking him what he wants. If it's a few bucks off then be done with it. If nobody is gonna end up happy then I believe that the seller has to make an insurance claim with the shipping company - not the buyer. The you refund his money and either get the guitar back or the insurance company owns it. If you get it back then relist it as with some checking..
There is no shipping company that would ensure against finish checking. You're lucky if the cover actual damage - usually it's only good for if the package doesn't show up at all.
 

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I agreed to refund him $250 of the purchase price and call it a day. He's willing to keep the guitar as I'd rather not risk having it shipped back and then trying to sell it in it's new condition. Last time I ever ship a guitar in the winter.
Lucky break for the buyer.

Sure takes the margin out of the deal for you though.
 

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I agreed to refund him $250 of the purchase price and call it a day. He's willing to keep the guitar as I'd rather not risk having it shipped back and then trying to sell it in it's new condition. Last time I ever ship a guitar in the winter.
At least a nitro finished one. Glad things kinda worked out. If I ship any guitars in the future, I'm going to put a note on the packaging about waiting 24hrs like Sweetwater does.
 

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Lucky break for the buyer.

Sure takes the margin out of the deal for you though.
It does but I just want to be done with it. I don't need this hanging over my head via a dispute claim with Paypal. And I do not want to risk having it shipped back because then I'm trusting him to not screw up the packing, etc. And then I'd be selling the guitar in its current state so likely I'd be taking that discount or more in the end regardless.

I'll never do it again though.

I opened a claim with Canada Post on the liability insurance. Just for the portion I refunded. Worst they can do is say no.
 
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