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I've always respect what Glenn had going on but I'm stunned by this list. I bet it's longer than Randall Smith's list. Everyone in the gear hobby should put him up there with McCarty, Leo, Paul RS, Bob Taylor and a few others.
 

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I dunno about some of those. "Vertical (piggyback) humbucking pickup" sounds like a stacked humbucker and Mr Les Paul himself did that first. He designed the prototype in the mid-60s, using it on his modified Gibons, and then Gibson put it into actual production on the Les Paul Professional (later renamed LP Recording) in 69 which at best is parallel development (a tie). Also side position dots (everybody, ever since anyone can remember) and pop out vibrato lever (fender in the late 50s with the intro of offset line), unless I am misunderstanding what those mean.

Many of the rest are legit innovations though. Gibson actually tried the uninut thing a few years ago, but they fucked it up by making it out of pot metal vs something durable and it sucked (though I am a fan of the idea in general).
 

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Sometimes, it's good to work in a bubble, as an aid to lateral thinking and breaking out of "the box". As my hero Charles Ives once said: "Everybody ought to have the opportunity not to be overinfluenced!".
 

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I dunno about some of those. "Vertical (piggyback) humbucking pickup" sounds like a stacked humbucker and Mr Les Paul himself did that first. He designed the prototype in the mid-60s, using it on his modified Gibons, and then Gibson put it into actual production on the Les Paul Professional (later renamed LP Recording) in 69 which at best is parallel development (a tie). Also side position dots (everybody, ever since anyone can remember) and pop out vibrato lever (fender in the late 50s with the intro of offset line), unless I am misunderstanding what those mean.

Many of the rest are legit innovations though. Gibson actually tried the uninut thing a few years ago, but they fucked it up by making it out of pot metal vs something durable and it sucked (though I am a fan of the idea in general).
Its possible that great minds were thinking alike. Time is close enough for me.

Implementation of similar ideas could have been different.

As long as the idea is supposed to be original to Glenn, not copied from elsewhere, is any doubt necessary?

Leo Fender himself gave Glenn some credit (I hear). The world was a much smaller place back then.

Just sayin, granny, maybe nobody copied anybody. They were just ideas whose time had come.

I dunno. I wasn't there, of course.
 

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I never said he copied; just questioning whether some of those were really innovations (using the patent standard of 'prior art'). Glenn certainly was innovative and I meant no dissrespect - just meant that that is a long list; no need to pad it.
 

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The history of inventing is rife with errors. For many years, people believed that Marconi invented the radio (since been overturned in courts and patent issues) or that Edison invented anything (perhaps a few things early on, but he really hired and funded inventors in his "invention factory").

The jury is still out on who invented the phone. Considering our NA favorite, it is even disputed if he was Scottish, Canadian or American. Compelling arguments for all sides. We all want to claim him - and he can't tell us what he considered himself as.

Perhaps Mr McDougall wasn't absolutely first by a few months on some of these, but Saskatoon was far from the hotbed of guitar innovation. Pre-NAMM or any other conferences, I doubt anyone knew what anyone else was doing until a few years after it was released to production.
 

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I never said he copied; just questioning whether some of those were really innovations (using the patent standard of 'prior art'). Glenn certainly was innovative and I meant no dissrespect - just meant that that is a long list; no need to pad it.
Oh no granny i didnt think you were dissing anyone. Just saying it could have been "simultaneous"

I believe Glenn held about one hundred patents in the history of Fury. Of course two guys could have different patents for two different stacking humbuckers or pop-out vibrato arms. You know?

I seriously value your input GG. Sorry. Hard to say things properly sometimes...
 
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