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So I have used many pedals mostly boss but I haven’t found any i really like . I don’t know but I like the tone better with out pedals a lot more . So my question is do pedals suck the tone out or do boss pedals just suck


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seriously though, its a bit about the type of pedals and how they sit in the order of your signal chain, its a bit about cable length and buffers, its a rabbit hole but Boss pedals don't all suck
 

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What I often recommend to people is to plug your guitar into your amp using the absolute shortest cable you have. It could even be an 8" patch cord that normally goes between pedals and you have to assume an uncomfortable position to try it out. Now take the absolute longest cable you have and plug into your amp with that one. Better yet, take the two longest cables you have, one going into, and one coming from, a true bypass pedal (in bypass mode), so that you have the equivalent of a really long cable, and plug into your amp. The difference in tone you hear - and you WILL hear it - is due to cable capacitance.

Buffers work against that loss of crispness. HOWEVER, they are normally designed under the assumption that your pedalboard will not consist of a series of 12 such pedals. Stated another way, a couple at a time, the buffers found in Boss pedals, and other e-switched types, are just fine. But an inaudible 1/4db here or there can add up eventually, over the course of a half dozen or more pedals, without necessarily improving very much along the way. You WILL need some sort of buffering at the beginning of your pedal chain, so that whatever is coming from your guitar comes through without adulteration. And you should have something that buffers your pedalboard output, to overcome what that second long cable normally takes away. But in between those two points, you don't need more than that.

A suitable compromise might be something like an e-switched pedal or buffer as the first thing after your guitar, some sort of buffered-bypass pedal going to your amp, and a loop selector for everything in between. That way, you could have a mess o' pedals of every kind after that first one, and remove whatever their partiocular type of bypass takes away from the signal, with one step. I made myself a 4-loop selector with an input buffer and output buffer. I can stick whatever the heck I want in those 4 loops, and go straight from input to output on the unit if I want.

Here are some videos from TPS and Brian Wampler on buffers and true bypass.
 

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OhhhH shit.... can of WORMS!
 
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Nah, it's easily resolvable. You just have to know what buffers do, and what cables do. It's also good to have some sense of how pedals used to be in the 1970s, and the specific problems resulting from the SPDT switches used then.

It's also worth knowing that some players deliberately loaded down their guitar signal for effect. Jimi Hendrix didn't use anything that was buffered on bypass, and also used a curly cord, which has cable capacitance through the roof. The loading helped to trim back the treble going into his Marshall bright channel. That, and the "reversed" bridge pickup, contributed to his distinctive clean sound. The hands helped too. ;)

If glassy crisp cleans are in your repertoire, then buffering will help to get you there, along with the right pickups. If a thicker sound is what you like, then you may find some value in not trying to conserve your top end via buffers. And if you have no top end, simply because of the nature of the guitar and pickups, then it may not matter whether you incorporate buffering or not.
 

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I picked up some used petals off the Jij. Never liked them. Then one day on a lark, I plugged in the 65 Fender reverb pedal in over top of another fender amp simulator I am using. The simulator alone is really good, but the two together sounds fantastic with a hollow/slide. Makes George Thorogood sound like he's playing a Uke.
 

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I don't know whether to be impressed or scared by that.
Hah, I meant no disrespect to GT, I've always liked his big hollow slide sound. Because I grew up with hard rock as my go to, I tend to like a little more aggressive guitar sound. The amp simulator is a Vibroverb or zooms rendition in of it. Sounds great. However when I put the 65 reverb pedal (which is never sounded good with anything) over top of it, it sounded completely and totally deadly . I can't get enough of it.

And after hearing that tone, it made GT's tone sound blah in comparison

Also not a dig towards ukulele players
 

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It's funny, eh, how sometimes you can stumble onto a killer sound, using things you wouldn't have thought would sound very good.
That's it in a nutshell. I'm also using headphones, so the sound is very defined crystal clear and huge.
 

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It's funny, eh, how sometimes you can stumble onto a killer sound, using things you wouldn't have thought would sound very good.
I often run a TS mini into an Op Amp Muff clone. It should be a noisy mess of howling, muddy crap. It is, in fact, a Muff with mids that cut and crazy growl. Throw a compressor in there and there's sustain for days (and shockingly little hiss lol).
 

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Hah, I meant no disrespect to GT, I've always liked his big hollow slide sound. Because I grew up with hard rock as my go to, I tend to like a little more aggressive guitar sound. The amp simulator is a Vibroverb or zooms rendition in of it. Sounds great. However when I put the 65 reverb pedal (which is never sounded good with anything) over top of it, it sounded completely and totally deadly . I can't get enough of it.

And after hearing that tone, it made GT's tone sound blah in comparison

Also not a dig towards ukulele players
Is that the FDR-1? My buddy took his over and played through my BJ tweed....sounded amazing. I'm not a big Reverb guy but man did it sound awesome. he was playing a semi hollow as well so maybe it's a picky pedal for certain gear or something. Glad you found the tone though.
 

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Is that the FDR-1? My buddy took his over and played through my BJ tweed....sounded amazing. I'm not a big Reverb guy but man did it sound awesome. he was playing a semi hollow as well so maybe it's a picky pedal for certain gear or something. Glad you found the tone though.
Yes, that’s the one. I an not using the vibrato or reverb (using the G3 delay and or reverbs) on it, so I guess it’s more of a boost pedal. I just put PAF style pups in another guit and don’t like it through the pedal, but p90s on the casino is glorious
 

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I generally prefer the sound of a guitar plugged straight into an amplifier, but after awhile that gets a little boring.
 
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