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Creativity whatever it may be for you like painting, guitar playing of course or any other creative endeavor leads one to the path of addiction? General consensus is creative ppl have a tendency towards addictive personalities!

Look how many famous musicians have died because of drugs and alcohol. I just read James Helfield's bio! Slash's bio as well. Very interesting how their own personal addictions evolved!

I think there is definitely a connection between the two.

Mhammer I am waiting for your reply.lol
 

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That whole scene those guys grew up in would have been alcohol and drug fueled as well. Maybe things would be different for some musicians if the scene itself wasn't that way?

I recently read the NOFX biography. Smelly, the drummer had a terrible past with heroin and had to change his entire lifestyle and support system to successfully stay of heroin for the last 20 years. That included no longer partying with his band mates as they did not stop drinking or doing drugs.
 

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The drug and alcohol addiction has much more to do with your associations than your creativity. The saying "Bad associations spoil useful habits" has proven to be a very wise piece of advice for those dealing with addictions as well as other areas of life.
 

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Creativity whatever it may be for you like painting, guitar playing of course or any other creative endeavor leads one to the path of addiction? General consensus is creative ppl have a tendency towards addictive personalities!

Look how many famous musicians have died because of drugs and alcohol. I just read James Helfield's bio! Slash's bio as well. Very interesting how their own personal addictions evolved!

I think there is definitely a connection between the two.

Mhammer I am waiting for your reply.lol
And because it is a rather uncluttered Friday at work, here it is.

I'm not partial to the idea of personality "types", and neither are most legitimate personality theorists. People are constellations of many characteristics, with a little more of this, a little less of that, and a similar amount of the other thing, than another person. Having said that, there are clearly risk factors for people developing disruptive maladaptive substance dependencies, as well as dependencies on activities, be it gambling or internet porn, etc.. Certainly one of them is impulsivity. Find me one addict of anything who might say "Y'know, I could really go for an X right about now, but it can wait until tomorrow". Indeed, we identify "addicts" precisely BY their inability to wait, and tendency to act on impulse.

So the question then turns into one of the possible shared association between impulsivity and "creativity", impulsivity also being associated with compulsive dependencies.

Part of what we mean when we talk about creativity is the unusual, counter-intuitive, innovative, off-the-beaten-path, out-of-the-box, sort of thing. And often, that sort of thinking tends to be limited when one is being methodical, systematic, and limited by the routine and familiar. What we think of as "creative" often arises out of people being sort of ripped from the normal. I suspect impulsiveness can often assist that, although there are plenty of people we respect as artists whose craftsmanship comes precisely from being methodical. Creative acts may arise out of momentary impulses, but creativity as a quality of a person is more likely to come from lots of practice and the acquisition of skill.

The other way in which I think creativity may be connected with impulsivity (setting aside how impulsivity can be associated with addiction) is via emotions. First, impulses are generally dictated by emotion, by the subconscious luring away by what is felt to be "important" at this moment. It doesn't have to be a strongly felt emotion, merely the attachment of value to some action or object that places it above every other possible object/action available at the moment. One does something on impulse because it feels like the most important or best thing to do at the moment. That is, of course, why someone with a dependency feels compelled to engage in that dependency: it is the most important thing right at this moment.

My own view is that one of the things that is characteristic of adolescents is their propensity to interpret the universe in terms of their emotions, and one of the big developmental challenges of adolescence is learning the skill of putting affect/emotion in its proper place when thinking about things. Adolescents are simultaneously, and paradoxically, more risk prone (suicide, DUI, experimenting with whatever) AND more risk averse (terrified of oral presentations in class, revealing things to parents or friends, asking someone out, etc.), and the common thread is that they are too swayed by their emotions and the anticipated emotional outcome of something, such that their behaviour is often inconsistent. That feeling of stronger emotions is accompanied by greater impulsivity.

But when it comes to creativity, what we value in the creative person or any of their actions we consider creative is their capacity to produce emotions in us. In a sense, their emotion-based impulsivity is echoed by our own emotion-based impulsivity. Their feeling generates products that produce feeling in us. One always needs to consider that "creativity" or creative acts/products are a socially-defined thing, so we have to start by asking what we would label as creative, and then proceed to what about the person would lead us to label their actions as that.

So, is creativity = addictive tendencies? Nah. Do persons with dependencies share some of the same psychological underpinnings as people viewed as "creative" in whatever their métier is? (and that could be music, architecture, policy analysis, math, cooking, dance, etc.) Yes. And the common link, as I see it, is the manner in which their reasoning and their emotions are interwoven. Emotion can pull one towards dumb stuff, but it can also pull one out of the ordinary, resulting in clever and different stuff.

Finally, and going back to the idea of skill and craftsmanship as important in creativity, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the role of emotion in motivating people to practice and hone whatever skills form the bedrock of their particular form of creativity. Why would one go over that riff again and again and again, trying to nail it? Because the emotion, or the anticipation of how good it will sound (and how that will make you feel) when you get it just right, impels you to. The expertise that underlies artistry and creativity comes from perseverance, and perseverance I turn comes from the private thrill we get when we progress and when we get things right. If it wasn't fun, we wouldn't do it.

There. How's that for something to chew on?
 

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Creative acts may arise out of momentary impulses, but creativity as a quality of a person is more likely to come from lots of practice and the acquisition of skill.

Finally, and going back to the idea of skill and craftsmanship as important in creativity, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the role of emotion in motivating people to practice and hone whatever skills form the bedrock of their particular form of creativity. Why would one go over that riff again and again and again, trying to nail it? Because the emotion, or the anticipation of how good it will sound (and how that will make you feel) when you get it just right, impels you to. The expertise that underlies artistry and creativity comes from perseverance, and perseverance I turn comes from the private thrill we get when we progress and when we get things right. If it wasn't fun, we wouldn't do it.
My point of view too.

I paint for a living, I create art, but I'm not the least tormented. I am a happy kind of person and have been a loner since I was a kid. I come from a big family (8 kids) and I never felt comfortable being part of a group, a gang. Having a beer with friends at the pub never happens. I like my solitude and I have few real friends. Yes I played in bands for a while, but never partied after gigs, it's just not me.

I do think solitude is a prerequisite for creating. Not performing, but getting that first spark that gets you to invent, to think outside the box.

Am I addicted to my easel ? No. But I do need to create, be it two dimensional, sound, color, size, whatever the vehicle. It has to come from inside.

I will take this opportunity to show you what I do. I couldn't do it intoxicated.
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I find it interesting that most of the best rock ever written was done under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
 

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I find it interesting that most of the best rock ever written was done under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
Not at all. Perhaps the artists' experimentation with psychotropic substances left them with experiences they tried to illustrate with music, and maybe they got good and shitfaced after performing, but they weren't wasted when they came up with the music itself. It takes clarity of mind and coordination to generate music of quality.
 

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Look at Eric Clapton though. There was a lot more to the song "Cocaine" then just the drug itself. Drugs obviously had an influence on the music he composed.
 

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Jim's comment was about being composed "under the influence", rather than "having used". I think Clapton was more under the influence of JJ Cale than cocaine when the song was composed or recorded, given that Cale wrote the tune.

Whoops. vadsy beat me to it.
 

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Clapton didn't write that song, J.J. Cale did. Clapton covered it.
Yeah Clapton covered a few JJ Cale tunes over the years,did an album with him,he was a big fan....not to mention putting together that recent J.J. tribute album.
 

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Not at all. Perhaps the artists' experimentation with psychotropic substances left them with experiences they tried to illustrate with music, and maybe they got good and shitfaced after performing, but they weren't wasted when they came up with the music itself. It takes clarity of mind and coordination to generate music of quality.
I wonder if this is true. Could the same be said for Led Zep? I feel both Zep and Deep Purple were the masters of rock in their day, that nobody has since surpassed.
 

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My point of view too.

I paint for a living, I create art, but I'm not the least tormented. I am a happy kind of person and have been a loner since I was a kid. I come from a big family (8 kids) and I never felt comfortable being part of a group, a gang. Having a beer with friends at the pub never happens. I like my solitude and I have few real friends. Yes I played in bands for a while, but never partied after gigs, it's just not me.

I do think solitude is a prerequisite for creating. Not performing, but getting that first spark that gets you to invent, to think outside the box.

Am I addicted to my easel ? No. But I do need to create, be it two dimensional, sound, color, size, whatever the vehicle. It has to come from inside.

I will take this opportunity to show you what I do. I couldn't do it intoxicated.
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Fantastic work!

I'm much like you. I prefer my solitary time and the happiest I am is when I fulfill the need to design and build something. Its therapeutic
 

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I hope that you're not planning on getting heavy into cookies. o_O


Way a head of you my friend! Lol lol I have a long weekend that has been bestowed on me by the big Kahuna at work! Don't have to report in for duty until Monday morning! A thx for all my hard work! I really do love the fact that they appreciate my efforts! It makes me feel good!
 

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I will take this opportunity to show you what I do. I couldn't do it intoxicated.
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WOW!!! Congratulations!

You are an exceptionally talented artist. I looked through the samples of your work in the past years and I strongly encourage every GC member to look at BGood's amazing art.

We have another visual artist who is member here in the past. IIRC, he is located in B.C. I'll try and find a link for you.
 

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I will take this opportunity to show you what I do. I couldn't do it intoxicated.
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WOW!!! Congratulations!

You are an exceptionally talented artist. I looked through the samples of your work in the past years and I strongly encourage every GC member to look at BGood's amazing art.

We have another visual artist who is member here. IIRC, he is located in B.C. I'll try and find a link for you.
 

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This is a very interesting topic to me! I hope you guys to?

It makes me read more, research as much as I can about people like Eric Clapton! Personally I never liked his songs but reading about his life is interesting. I was in love with big hair bands of the 80's, glam rock. Songs with a ton of energy in them! I even loved and still do Brett Micheals of Poison!
 
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