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I wouldn't read too much into that, unless there are conspicuous reasons for his formerness. People leave high-paying jobs all the time...largely because when they pay high enough you don't need that stinking job anymore. ;) Nah, judge him on the basis of the foolishness of his arguments.
Agreed. What i heard in the podcast was that the research division he was leading was dropped by Pfizer, he then started his own company, which was then bought up, then the drug that new company was working on came up short in trials and it too was shut down. He made money from it all but no grand discoveries or Nobel prizes.
 

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It's funny. People have such hate for "big pharma". When we see instances like Purdue, that threw gas on the opioid fire, I can understand that hate. At the same time, you have to wonder just who would have had the resources to throw at vaccine development. And more importantly, who would have had the production capacity to provide the sheer volume of vaccine needed, with the degree of quality-control required? There are reasons to hate them, yes, but there are also things we rely on them for, and appreciate them being able to do. I don't see many hating them for developing boner pills.

Just reminded me of one of the jokes in Drew Carey's book "Dirty Jokes and Beer" ( Dirty Jokes and Beer: Stories of the Unrefined: Carey, Drew: 9780786889396: Books - Amazon.ca ). Can't repeat it here because it's dirty. Not Gilbert Gottfried "Aristocrats" dirty, but still unsuitable for posting. That said, the punch line is "You gotta take the bad with the good". I'll leave it to you to flip through the pages at Indigo/Chapters and read it.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into that, unless there are conspicuous reasons for his formerness. People leave high-paying jobs all the time...largely because when they pay high enough you don't need that stinking job anymore. ;) Nah, judge him on the basis of the foolishness of his arguments.
But Mark. Then I would have to watch the video to do that and I tend to stay away from watching or reading other peoples opinion of the covid19 vaccine. 😷
 

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Agreed. What i heard in the podcast was that the research division he was leading was dropped by Pfizer, he then started his own company, which was then bought up, then the drug that new company was working on came up short in trials and it too was shut down. He made money from it all but no grand discoveries or Nobel prizes.
my father didn't get a nobel prize in engineering, couldn't fix one company here in canada, but move to the states and turned around that one.

he stopped engineering at the first one and moved into management when moving to the states.

now he's sought after for fixing fuckups for most the major auto companies, because he's amazing at what he does.

I wouldn't use your criteria to judge someone's credibility. mark criticizing his actual argument is the better route.
 

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my father didn't get a nobel prize in engineering, couldn't fix one company here in canada, but move to the states and turned around that one.

he stopped engineering at the first one and moved into management when moving to the states.

now he's sought after for fixing fuckups for most the major auto companies, because he's amazing at what he does.

I wouldn't use your criteria to judge someone's credibility. mark criticizing his actual argument is the better route.
I was part of a few working groups, during my government stay, that were concerned with addressing the challenge of filling manager positions in science and I.T. streams. It can be hard to do. Many people who enter STEM work are really more interested in the actual technical, investigative and R&D work, than in pushing paper, working on budgets, and managing people. Some may be interested in that sort of position, with its pay increase and authority, but clearly lack the vision and/or "soft skills" to do it (I.T. is often at a greater disadvantage there). And some who actually have those skills and vision may simply be disinterested in anything that tears them away from the lab or workbench. In academe, plenty of faculty spend entire long careers studiously avoiding administrative positions, like departmental chair, or dean. So organizations are often left/stuck with a small pool of appropriate people to draw from, increasing the risks of hiring the wrong person for that role, or necessitating outsourcing. Like teaching, medicine, and even rock drummers, there are more management positions to fill than there are people who are truly cut out for it. And of course, one is always depending on the vision and wisdom of others (which can include boards of directors) to recognize when someone is or isn't "cut out for it". It happens.
 

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im pro vax, but Im always suspect of big industry...it makes sense to me to be leary.
That's fine. The question is: what criteria or evidence do you require, or find sufficient, to set your leariness aside? Is such evidence reasonably obtainable, or does the leariness simply persist because it's "big industry"? And what big industries merit suspicion, and in what ways? For instance, Apotex is a big frigging company. Huge. They make generic drugs, as well as lots of money. The greater affordability of such generics lowers the costs for governments and individuals, which increases their availability. Should I be leary of them by virtue of their size and the fact they are part of the pharmaceutical industry, or does their manufacture of generics dub them pure as the driven snow?

I find that to be the most exasperating thing about the conspiracy-minded (NOT pointing any finger at yourself). It's the degree to which the narrative such persons adopt is often immune to any sort of contrary evidence. In Karl Popper's terms, their argument and belief is not "falsifiable", and all too often the conspiracy-minded will change the narrative in order to keep it safe from contrary evidence.

People are weird.
 

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im pro vax, but Im always suspect of big industry...it makes sense to me to be leary.

its just info like this that boggles me...it confuses the shit out of me. this one's much shorter...and very recent:

A calm and measured assessment of the situation at hand. Evolutionary selection is an interesting topic, especially in regards to our present world wide contagion. So the jab's effect begins to wane approx. six months in (this was not in the original brochure...but then how could they know, as it's an experimental treatment without long term data). One could assume it would continue on that pace, exponentially. Should you get a booster shot? Is more of the same better, when taking into account the narrow immunity the present one infers. Dose response in vaccines is not linear....more isn't always better. It could help or it might lower immune response. Are we by vaccinating more and more people, with the present 'leaky' vaccine, only creating a potential firestorm of negative results across the world's population. These and many other discussions are ones we should be having.
 

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A calm and measured assessment of the situation at hand. Evolutionary selection is an interesting topic, especially in regards to our present world wide contagion. So the jab's effect begins to wane approx. six months in (this was not in the original brochure...but then how could they know, as it's an experimental treatment without long term data). One could assume it would continue on that pace, exponentially. Should you get a booster shot? Is more of the same better, when taking into account the narrow immunity the present one infers. Dose response in vaccines is not linear....more isn't always better. It could help or it might lower immune response. Are we by vaccinating more and more people, with the present 'leaky' vaccine, only creating a potential firestorm of negative results across the world's population. These and many other discussions are ones we should be having.
I got something completely different from that video. The first was that "vaccines leak" is nothing new nor is it that they mutate. His last view - that we are successfully treating covid I would whole-heartily disagree with - I'd love a few examples of that.

Funny how two people can get a different take-away from the same thing.
 

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I got something completely different from that video. The first was that "vaccines leak" is nothing new nor is it that they mutate. His last view - that we are successfully treating covid I would whole-heartily disagree with - I'd love a few examples of that.

Funny how two people can get a different take-away from the same thing.
Yes, vaccines by their nature have different leakability (I know that's not a word, but it sounds good). Measles, smallpox are fairly stable....coronaviruses are not. His assessment is that by mass vaccinations during a pandemic, we are giving the virus the challenge and the means by which to escape. That is to say, by presenting a narrow immune response (the subunit of only part of the spike protein), we are giving the virus the means by which to adapt, and thereby escape and evolve/mutate. If you look at the genome differences between the original virus and the delta variant you can see this. When he talks about successfully treating covid he's talking about the doctors who are using the FLCCC treatment protocols. You can go their website to see their at home, in hospital and post hospital treatment plans. And by way of reference these are the ones who brought drugs like dexamethasone into play, in the days when only supplementary care was being given (aspirin, oxygen etc.)
 

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My takeaway from the vid was "we have data to review and thoughts about improving the vaccine(s)".

Good call...
So you missed out the part about a 'pandemic of variants'.....which will cause the vaccines to be less and less effective.
 

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So you missed out the part about a 'pandemic of variants'.....which will cause the vaccines to be less and less effective.
There is nothing shocking about that. We were told very early on that a successful vaccine for a coronavirus had never been developed, because variants. Vaccines don't cause variants. They give us a new flu vax every year to deal with variants.
 

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There is nothing shocking about that. We were told very early on that a successful vaccine for a coronavirus had never been developed, because variants. Vaccines don't cause variants. They give us a new flu vax every year to deal with variants.
Big difference between the yearly flu vaccine (which is given before the flu season, and there's a reason for that) and the present gene therapy 'vaccine'. The flu vaccine is the best estimate based on previous studies and collection of data of what's coming next. And their effectiveness can be anywhere from 20% to 60% effective. This gene therapy vaccine being used presently, has a very narrow immunity profile, and by that quality, is in effect causing variants. Listen to the discussion again.
 

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Yes, vaccines by their nature have different leakability (I know that's not a word, but it sounds good). Measles, smallpox are fairly stable....coronaviruses are not. His assessment is that by mass vaccinations during a pandemic, we are giving the virus the challenge and the means by which to escape. That is to say, by presenting a narrow immune response (the subunit of only part of the spike protein), we are giving the virus the means by which to adapt, and thereby escape and evolve/mutate. If you look at the genome differences between the original virus and the delta variant you can see this. When he talks about successfully treating covid he's talking about the doctors who are using the FLCCC treatment protocols. You can go their website to see their at home, in hospital and post hospital treatment plans. And by way of reference these are the ones who brought drugs like dexamethasone into play, in the days when only supplementary care was being given (aspirin, oxygen etc.)
You got all of that from the video? I watched again and still didn't get near as much - I guess I'm a poor student 😕

I don't know much about the FLCCC but don't they kind of operate at the "fringe"? Like, general medical practice isn't currently pushing their solutions, right?

I would normally ask what you would do differently. Most vaccine "hesitants" would say, border closure, lockdowns, etc. I think we have enough proof that hiding and waiting for this to resolve itself isn't gonna work. I assume that's not your proposal - but that you're more in the FLCCC camp.

I rely on my local stats, like - if you are unvaccinated you are 12 times more likely to catch and transmit covid. I'm a numbers guy - and those are numbers that tell a story.
 

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Should you get a booster shot? Is more of the same better, when taking into account the narrow immunity the present one infers. Dose response in vaccines is not linear....more isn't always better. It could help or it might lower immune response. Are we by vaccinating more and more people, with the present 'leaky' vaccine, only creating a potential firestorm of negative results across the world's population. These and many other discussions are ones we should be having.
I'm not sure what you mean by "we" here, but scientists do what scientists do which is review data in a scientific, peer-reviewed, responsible, way. Here on guitarscanada, we can spout our opinions but opinions matter very little in the face of the scientific truth. So, of the questions you posed, I actually don't think we need to discuss anything at all. Let's leave that to the scientists.By doing so we respect their expertise and trust that these questions are being looked into by a whole network of worldwide scientists. By not doing so - and trying to tackle these questions ourselves in a really uninformed way - we actually look foolish.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by "we" here, but scientists do what scientists do which is review data in a scientific, peer-reviewed, responsible, way. Here on guitarscanada, we can spout our opinions but opinions matter very little in the face of the scientific truth. So, of the questions you posed, I actually don't think we need to discuss anything at all. Let's leave that to the scientists.By doing so we respect their expertise and trust that these questions are being looked into by a whole network of worldwide scientists. By not doing so - and trying to tackle these questions ourselves in a really uninformed way - we actually look foolish.
When you go in for an operation you discuss with your doctor what's going to happen. The more informed you are on the procedure, the better you understand the risks involved. Being injected with an experimental drug, involves risks. Now they may be minimal, moderate, or serious. Only by trying to understand them do we gain a greater knowledge....and if you can read a scientific paper, which is possible for anyone with a little work, you can benefit and be able to make an informed decision.
 

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You got all of that from the video? I watched again and still didn't get near as much - I guess I'm a poor student 😕

I don't know much about the FLCCC but don't they kind of operate at the "fringe"? Like, general medical practice isn't currently pushing their solutions, right?

I would normally ask what you would do differently. Most vaccine "hesitants" would say, border closure, lockdowns, etc. I think we have enough proof that hiding and waiting for this to resolve itself isn't gonna work. I assume that's not your proposal - but that you're more in the FLCCC camp.

I rely on my local stats, like - if you are unvaccinated you are 12 times more likely to catch and transmit covid. I'm a numbers guy - and those are numbers that tell a story.
You are correct about the efficacy of the vaccine available today. It greatly increases your chance of survival. However that number (the catching it part) is diminishing as shown in other countries that were ahead of the curve with inoculations. As to transmission....those who are vaccinated can carry and transmit the same viral load as the unvaccinated. This is starting to play out in those other countries. As time moves on it will become apparent in Canada.

FLCCC camp? They've successfully treated many thousands of patients......I know people wanted Ted Nugent to die, but he got to them in time (even though he was at about the day six mark) and recovered. Joe Rogan....another public figure used their treatment and is doing fine. Their treatment is very 'scientific' ....they are front line doctors in the middle of it every day. If that's fringe, because they use safe drugs like ivermectin as part of a treatment protocol, then it's a sad day for the state of medical practice.

What would I do? Early treatment is critical. Sending people home after testing positive for a know pathogen, with the directive to come back later if you're really sick is ....what....insane? Secondly I would have home test kits available to everyone....this can be cheaply done, and could give you a leg up on early treatment. And stop all this case nonsense. Stop the fear porn....it serves no useful purpose.
 
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