[fonziedog]

I've sold a few guitars to buyers in the US on Reverb.com over the last year but suspect I can no longer do that without CITES certification.

Anyone have intel where a (casual) seller would look first to do this legitimately?

 

[knight_yyz]

Canada - CITES Management Authority
Canadian Wildlife Service
Environment Canada
OTTAWA, ONTARIO
K1A 0H3
Tel: +1 (819) 938 41 19
Fax: +1 (819) 938 41 46
Email: ec.cites.ec @ canada.ca
Website: http://www.cites.ca

 

[knight_yyz]

New CITES Regulations For All Rosewood Species


The exporter must apply for a re-exportation license when shipping across an international border

 

[exhausted]

Seems like the timeframe for them providing a permit is something like 40 calendar days after application which pretty much quashes any ability to do private sales. i.e. no one in the states is going to be cool with waiting 40 days to get a guitar shipped to them.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/BA634294-...et_CITES_Export_wood_or_wood_products_eng.pdf

 

[fonziedog]

Thanks all! Found this as well: Environment and Climate Change Canada - Nature - Your title

 

[fonziedog]

Seems like the timeframe for them providing a permit is something like 40 calendar days after application which pretty much quashes any ability to do private sales. i.e. no one in the states is going to be cool with waiting 40 days to get a guitar shipped to them.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/BA634294-...et_CITES_Export_wood_or_wood_products_eng.pdf

Wow, yes that will impair a sale. I hoped, before reading it, that a generic certificate could be generated but the Recipient information is required for the application.

 

[fonziedog]

Here's a link to the actual application:
http://www.ec.gc.ca/cites/BA634294-...6/CITES_Export-wood_and_wood_products_eng.pdf

 

[knight_yyz]

According to Reverb, it is going to take "months" for the US Fish and Wildlife to catch up...

 

[knight_yyz]

Found a loophole

It does not apply to instruments shipped within the borders of your country or instruments carried for personal use while traveling internationally [unless they contain more than 22 lbs. (10 kg) of the regulated woods]

Carry it across the border and mail it. No paperwork required. Just make sure you have less than 22lbs of rosewood on the guitar. LOL

 

[exhausted]

Fuck it. I'll just keep all my guitars.

 

[Gimper]

Fuck it. I'll just keep all my guitars.

Or sell them to fellow Canadians.

 

[exhausted]

Or sell them to fellow Canadians.

Yep. That's the plan for anything with rosewood. I found an sg the other day I'd been looking for for quite a while. I was over the moon to find it was in Canada.

 

[knight_yyz]

I had the same problem. Was trying to find a Les Paul Jr., and was hoping for something from japan mid 80's but had to settle for a Gibson located in Canada instead.

 

[vadsy]

Or sell them to fellow Canadians.

Yep. That's the plan for anything with rosewood. I found an sg the other day I'd been looking for for quite a while. I was over the moon to find it was in Canada.

It would be great to see something like Kijiji put protocols in place for safe and easy transfer of funds and potential for shipping instruments within Canada.
Tons of great gear across this country but tough to get at if its not local.

 

[fonziedog]

It would be great to see something like Kijiji put protocols in place for safe and easy transfer of funds and potential for shipping instruments within Canada.
Tons of great gear across this country but tough to get at if its not local.

Out of curiosity I did a few Reverb searches and specified Canada as the location of the product. There are a lot of listings for items like 335s and SGs but pricing is at the higher end. Those prices may come down now that the American market has vanished (or least got more difficult to sell to).

What about stores like Ishibashi in Japan selling to Canada? Since the recent changes affecting rosewood are to American legislation, not Canadian rules, will Japanese sellers still sell to Canadian buyers?

 

[exhausted]

Out of curiosity I did a few Reverb searches and specified Canada as the location of the product. There are a lot of listings for items like 335s and SGs but pricing is at the higher end. Those prices may come down now that the American market has vanished (or least got more difficult to sell to).

What about stores like Ishibashi in Japan selling to Canada? Since the recent changes affecting rosewood are to American legislation, not Canadian rules, will Japanese sellers still sell to Canadian buyers?

CITES is international and Ishibashi has stopped shipping anything with rosewood for now. I asked them last week.

 

[capnjim]

So does that mean I can't sell a guitar with a rosewood board on Reverb??
I thought this whole thing was only for companies. What happens if I try??

 

[losch79]

So does that mean I can't sell a guitar with a rosewood board on Reverb??
I thought this whole thing was only for companies. What happens if I try??

You can still sell on Reverb but you will have to obtain the re-export certificate which can take up to 40 days, which will pretty much kill any sort of Reverb/Ebay sale you have outside of Canada. You can try to ship the guitar without the certificate; best case scenario is it gets through US customs without an issue. Worst case, the guitar is confiscated, you lose the guitar and you will have to refund the full amount to the buyer.

 

[knight_yyz]

I asked Reverb, what would happen "if", and all they will say is please refer to the web page on their site. So you are not covered on Reverb if customs steps in due to lack of paper work.

Are they expecting the average Joe to know about this though? Are there tv commercials? ( I wouldn't know I refuse to pay 100/month for cable)

 

[BGood]

Those prices may come down now that the American market has vanished

Hmm ... I'd be afraid of the contrary. Item will be harder to find within our borders, thus a higher price.