[marcos]

Guys and gals, need help. Is it possible to install a strap button in the horn section of a semi acoustic ? Like a 335, Casino,etc...My reason i am asking is i cant play my friends Casino standing up because of the button position on the neck heel. Looking for installing it on the horn like a Tele, Strat etc....Any special bracing inside to screw into it?
Thanks

 

[Tone Chaser]

Are you looking for trouble?
I guess that you could get creative and spend a lot of time fishing a well fitted, then glued piece of structural wood in there, but why? Because you are determined and can? Maybe? You have a lot of spare time?

Getting a longer adjustable strap, borrowing a strap, etc., is easier.

 

[Guest]

I came across this thread on another forum that may be useful.
Artcore strtap button location - Artcore Series - Ibanez Forum

 

[marcos]

Are you looking for trouble?
I guess that you could get creative and spend a lot of time fishing a well fitted, then glued piece of structural wood in there, but why? Because you are determined and can? Maybe? You have a lot of spare time?

Getting a longer adjustable strap, borrowing a strap, etc., is easier.

Tried the longer strap and still cant get comfy with the body. It just does not fit right for me.

 

[marcos]

I came across this thread on another forum that may be useful.
Artcore strtap button location - Artcore Series - Ibanez Forum

Thanks buddy. Pretty smart fellow to have thought of doing that way.

 

[greco]

Funny you should start this thread. My friend and GC forum member @Hamstrung and I were just discussing this.

I agree that button placement at the heel of the neck never seems to work as well as on the upper horn on other body styles of guitars.

 

[Ayr Guitars]

I came across this thread on another forum that may be useful.
Artcore strtap button location - Artcore Series - Ibanez Forum

Looks like a great solution. I'd be inclined to make the the 'dowel' as big as would fit through the f-hole, and watch out for grain direction. That's not much wood for the screw to bite into and it could split the dowel, which would be a big problem.

 

[Steadfastly]

Looks like a great solution. I'd be inclined to make the the 'dowel' as big as would fit through the f-hole, and watch out for grain direction. That's not much wood for the screw to bite into and it could split the dowel, which would be a big problem.

For anyone doing it, make sure to pre-drill the dowel first to stop it from splitting and put some glue in the hole before installing the screw.

 

[greco]

I have an old shovel handle kicking around so I asked my good friend @Hamstrung if I could try this on his new (barely used) Gibson 335 for practice ....before trying it on my old, extremely rare Epi Dot. I guess friendship has its limits.

Seriously now ...It makes one wonder why manufacturers of 335's don't install the wooden "plug" as part of the build and allow for a choice.
Comments....

 

[marcos]

Dave, i think that if i install one, a piece of oak of some sort would be good. And yes, they should give the option where to put the strap button

 

[High/Deaf]

This is a cure looking for a disease. Nothing wrong with where it is mounted, why would Gibson change it?

 

[Steadfastly]

This is a cure looking for a disease. Nothing wrong with where it is mounted, why would Gibson change it?

Because Gibson is not known as one of the big manufacturers coming up with new ideas. They are living on their iconic brands and styles.

 

[High/Deaf]

Because Gibson is not known as one of the big manufacturers coming up with new ideas. They are living on their iconic brands and styles.

Too a large extent, I agree. Probably 50% of the guitar companies are doing that - and it's working for them.

But you can't really blame them. As profit-based companies, they go where the money is. It's the customers that direct them. Every time GibsoFendeGretscRickIbanYamaha tries something new, it isn't that well accepted, from what I can see.

 

[GTmaker]

Guys and gals, need help. Is it possible to install a strap button in the horn section of a semi acoustic ? Like a 335, Casino,etc...My reason i am asking is i cant play my friends Casino standing up because of the button position on the neck heel. Looking for installing it on the horn like a Tele, Strat etc....Any special bracing inside to screw into it?
Thanks

First of all I have to say that there is plenty wrong with having a trap button on the neck heel...

I have a very simple "partial solution " that works for me and is very easy to try.

This is a lot harder to explain then it is to try so bare with me...
BEst way to explain is this. Lets pretend you have a regular guitar strap that is black on top and white on the bottom.
So...black side faces away from your body and the white side touches your shoulder...(just trying to be clear).

Now if you take your strap normal and grab the Casino guitar, a natural tendency is to place the strap like in a normal
position ...( white side touching the guitar on the back body and the white side touching the guitar in the neck side.)
There is a better way....
With side touching the back body and Black side touching the neck position.

Again,,, this explanation is a hell of a lot messier then when you have the guitar and strap in your hands...
try is out and I'm pretty sure it will fell a lot better.
G.

 

[High/Deaf]

First of all I have to say that there is plenty wrong with having a trap button on the neck heel...

I have a very simple "partial solution " that works for me and is very easy to try.

This is a lot harder to explain then it is to try so bare with me...
BEst way to explain is this. Lets pretend you have a regular guitar strap that is black on top and white on the bottom.
So...black side faces away from your body and the white side touches your shoulder...(just trying to be clear).

Now if you take your strap normal and grab the Casino guitar, a natural tendency is to place the strap like in a normal
position ...( white side touching the guitar on the back body and the white side touching the guitar in the neck side.)
There is a better way....
With side touching the back body and Black side touching the neck position.

Again,,, this explanation is a hell of a lot messier then when you have the guitar and strap in your hands...
try is out and I'm pretty sure it will fell a lot better.
G.

I just assumed that's how everyone does it. No half-roll in the strap, it stays flat from your shoulder down to the guitar.

Works for my SG as well.

 

[Hamstrung]

First of all I have to say that there is plenty wrong with having a trap button on the neck heel...

I have a very simple "partial solution " that works for me and is very easy to try.

This is a lot harder to explain then it is to try so bare with me...
BEst way to explain is this. Lets pretend you have a regular guitar strap that is black on top and white on the bottom.
So...black side faces away from your body and the white side touches your shoulder...(just trying to be clear).

Now if you take your strap normal and grab the Casino guitar, a natural tendency is to place the strap like in a normal
position ...( white side touching the guitar on the back body and the white side touching the guitar in the neck side.)
There is a better way....
With side touching the back body and Black side touching the neck position.

Again,,, this explanation is a hell of a lot messier then when you have the guitar and strap in your hands...
try is out and I'm pretty sure it will fell a lot better.
G.

I get what you're describing and do that but there still a degree of forward tilt that you don't experience on a guitar with the strap button on the upper horn. It takes some getting used to and I find it makes me stand differently to try and compensate. I also find my right arm wants to hold the guitar against my body. I'm relatively new to this style of guitar so time will tell whether I'll notice it much down the road.

 

[cboutilier]

I've seen people people use a small piece of flatbar to move the heel button away from the body some. Looks similar to the lever for the G bender on Brad Paisley's Tele

 

[Guest]

Something like this?

 

[GTmaker]

I get what you're describing and do that but there still a degree of forward tilt that you don't experience on a guitar with the strap button on the upper horn. It takes some getting used to and I find it makes me stand differently to try and compensate. I also find my right arm wants to hold the guitar against my body. I'm relatively new to this style of guitar so time will tell whether I'll notice it much down the road.

Completely agree with what your saying . Especially the part about the right arm trying to compensate.
I did say I offered a partial solution and yes, you can get use to it in time.
I find that holding the guitar a little more towards my right hip instead if straight across my fat belly helps a bit too.

G.

By the way Larry..... the contraption you have shown above it for a neck heavy relief guitar...
I dont think we are talking about neck heavy problems.

 

[Steadfastly]

Too a large extent, I agree. Probably 50% of the guitar companies are doing that - and it's working for them.

But you can't really blame them. As profit-based companies, they go where the money is. It's the customers that direct them. Every time GibsoFendeGretscRickIbanYamaha tries something new, it isn't that well accepted, from what I can see.

Yes, you are right. Having worked for a large international company, I saw how smaller companies kept eroding our market share because there were able to make changes quicker to satisfy customer's needs and often provided innovative products or changes to products that our company couldn't or wouldn't do.