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Shocking as some of California's best-known and heavily-populated areas get consumed by the fires there.

About 30 people killed, approaching 7,000 structures destroyed, some fires still completely out of control. Wow.

Here's a picture of smoke from fires in Malibu taken from Santa Monica pier just south of it.

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Here's one of actor Gerard Butler returning to his Malibu house after the fire had passed through.



Here's a map of *threat* zones, not fires, but look at all the red and where it is located.

 

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Mother Nature does not give a rat's ass about how rich or poor you are.
 
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No such thing as global warming though...just a trend...
I sure don’t envy anyone losing their home, rich or poor. Lots of memories lost
 

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One of my neighbours has a cottage-ey house in northern California, where the extended family gathers. Judging by his home here, he might just be down there now. I was comforted, initially, knowing that he was in the northern part and the fires were down south, but that risk-map did not bring me much peace.

It's a real double-bind. On the one hand, maintaining foliage and trees is an environmentally-sound strategy to pursue. On the other hand, if you get a drought, all of that stuff becomes tinder and fuel. Plus all that smoke. Can't imagine that's good for the lungs of all those people. Keep in mind that California's population is about 120% the size of Canada's, squished into a space about half the size of BC.
 

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Its not good. Strymon had to evacuate too. Theres a few guitar companies in california.
 

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I see that the Woolsey fire had affected Agoura Hills and required evacuation, although today's reports indicate that, thanks to the weather, the Woolsey fire is gradually coming under control. Agoura Hills is where Line 6 is based. Their stuff may be manufactured overseas, but R&D and other basic company matters are situated there. So, if you have requested technical support recently, you may be a bit delayed in receiving it.

Agoura Hills is also just a couple of kilometers from Thousand Oaks, where the recent mass shooting took place.
 

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No such thing as global warming though...just a trend...
holy shit, it's easily as bad as being a vegan. of course no matter what natural occurrences happen in the world today, it's best to disregard science and blame it on the religion of climate change. somehow people still feel it's ok to give steadly a hard time for being j/w. he's definenitely done alot less preaching on his religion than folks here have about the religion of climate chnge

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yeah...because a guy like that, he probably had no insurance. crowd sourcing is often used in the dumbest ways imaginable because people are stupid
 

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holy shit, it's easily as bad as being a vegan. of course no matter what natural occurrences happen in the world today, it's best to disregard science and blame it on the religion of climate change. somehow people still feel it's ok to give steadly a hard time for being j/w. he's definenitely done alot less preaching on his religion than folks here have about the religion of climate chnge
Cause and effect, carts and horses. The amount of carbon spewed into the atmosphere by forest fires is never discussed as a contributor because it's more PC to identify it as a result. Canada alone averages 9,000 forest fires annually, burning out 25,000 square kms of trees. That's a lot of carbon - that's a lot of heat. Yet it's possible contribution is ignored by the professional alarmists.

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After 3 pages in Google I found this article - the 1st that actually touches on the subject:

How Wildfires Can Affect Climate Change (and Vice Versa)

"Although the exact quantities are difficult to calculate, scientists estimate that wildfires emitted about 8 billion tons of CO2 per year for the past 20 years. In 2017, total global CO2 emissions reached 32.5 billion tons, according to the International Energy Agency.

When they calculate total global CO2 output, scientists don't include all wildfire emissions as net emissions, though, because some of the CO2 is offset by renewed forest growth in the burned areas. As a result, they estimate that wildfires make up 5 to 10 percent of annual global CO2 emissions each year."

"Extreme fires can release huge amounts of CO2 in a very short time. California fire experts estimate that the blazes that devastated Northern California's wine country in October 2017 emitted as much CO2 in one week as all of California's cars and trucks do over the course of a year. "

Perhaps finding a way to control these fires would be more impactful than all of the proposed human-based reductions on the table.
 

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How much of that remaining 90% is caused by humans though?
 

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From a property-preservation perspective, and a forest vitality perspective, some have argued that we actually do too much to try and prevent all forest-fires, and that the natural cycles of small isolated fires actually works out in the end. Keep in mind that the forests we do have around the world, came to be as large as they are in the absence of forest-management programs, or even regional fire-fighting staff in many places in the world and until just a few hundred years ago. So the notion that just letting forests and lightning do its thing has some rationality underlying it. One has to think beyond the last 50 years in industrialized society and ask "Just how did we get to this point, and how did we get what we have?". I recommend a listen to this fascinating "history of fire" on CBC Ideas: Visions of Fire, Part 1 | CBC Radio I certainly couldn't imagine the notion of a "fire historian", and I'll bet you didn't either. Some VERY interesting ideas fro a guy who has spent years engaged in big-picture thinking about fire and fires.

At the same time, however, we have expanded as a species population, into a great many areas we never used to occupy, such that letting the forests do their thing and burn on their own terms can threaten us, simply because we aren't as physically removed from it as we might have been 300 years ago. Fort Mac would have been a teensy hick town in the absence of the oilsands, because it's out of the way. But when industry results in a massive influx of people, any forest fires can pose a serious threat, so we don't let the little ones come and go, simply so they don't transform into big ones.

There is also the matter of where fires occur. Fires closer to the poles have a somewhat different impact than fires closer to the equator, largely because that's where the ozone layer is most compromised. Somewhat dumbed down, this site still provides responses to a number of related questions that connect fires, emissions, and a number of other things with the mechanisms of climate change. How do Bonfires affect the ozone layer
 
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