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I've played a few south of the border but don't recall seeing one up here. Does anyone have one or have you seen any in store?
 

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Hi Tim,

Yes, I have a 2015 TH59 - Lemon. Bought it Jan 2016 from Jenton over at the MLP forum. He bought it used from Dave's in Wisconsin. I got it for $5200 U.S. with a set of Rewind Creme Brule's (and the original Custom Buckers). IMO a great deal... and worth every penny. Beautiful guitar, my number 1. Will be gigged regularly, shortly. (Band just about ready to come out... prob. spring).

Haven't seen any in any stores here...
 

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Stang Guitars in Edmonton had a Murphy Aged True Historic in stock last year or so; which I photographed. Very nice guitar.
As a majorly obsessive LP enthusiast myself - and LP style replica builder - I can attest to the major improvements they've made with the introduction of that TH series.
Just a little expensive IMO for not getting every detail as correct as possible. But IMO the most and best changes thus far; to things like plastic colour, top carve, neck shape, etc etc

Even though they messed up and used synthetic hide glue throughout, not to mention hide gluing the tops on, instead of vintage correct UH glue like the originals, they're still sweet guitars, but I digress...






 

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Cheers guys. So, just one dealer in Alberta so far? I haven't seen any at retail stores in S. Ontario yet. Only one R4 on L&Ms website. Just thought it was strange not seeing any up here.

Yes, I have a 2015 TH59 - Lemon. Bought it Jan 2016 from Jenton over at the MLP forum
Very nice if it's the one I'm thinking about.
 

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I have completely lost track of the whole "historic" model details

is there a chart somewhere that breaks down the various historic specs, over the years? and also explains the various models in the historic line?

ie: how is a true historic any different from other historic?


....and why can't they just make the guitars the right way? why all this dilution?

in 1959 a Les Paul was a Les Paul.....they had what, a standard, and a custom? plus the juniors etc

"now introducing the 2019 'absolutely true' historic, a VAST improvement over the 2018 'almost true' historic!! "
 

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I have completely lost track of the whole "historic" model details
is there a chart somewhere that breaks down the various historic specs, over the years? and also explains the various models in the historic line?
ie: how is a true historic any different from other historic?
....and why can't they just make the guitars the right way? why all this dilution?
in 1959 a Les Paul was a Les Paul.....they had what, a standard, and a custom? plus the juniors etc
"now introducing the 2019 'absolutely true' historic, a VAST improvement over the 2018 'almost true' historic!! "
There is indeed a detailed list of the evolution of and changes to the Historic series.
Makes for highly educational reading. It doesn't capture the most recent changes, but those have been discussed at length on both the Les Paul Forum and the My Les Paul forum.
Right here:
Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection


Regarding the Ture Historics, this is useful:
Great explanation of True Historics vs. Regular Historics with comparison pictures

Since 2014 or so, there have been some interesting goings-on at the Gibson Custom Shop, the most recent of which is the departure of Edwin Wilson from Gibson.
 

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Cheers guys. So, just one dealer in Alberta so far? I haven't seen any at retail stores in S. Ontario yet. Only one R4 on L&Ms website. Just thought it was strange not seeing any up here.
I have to wonder if a part of that is people cashing in on the exchange rate and the US market getting first crack at them?
 

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There is indeed a detailed list of the evolution of and changes to the Historic series.
Makes for highly educational reading. It doesn't capture the most recent changes, but those have been discussed at length on both the Les Paul Forum and the My Les Paul forum.
Right here:
Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection


Regarding the Ture Historics, this is useful:
Great explanation of True Historics vs. Regular Historics with comparison pictures

Since 2014 or so, there have been some interesting goings-on at the Gibson Custom Shop, the most recent of which is the departure of Edwin Wilson from Gibson.
aha, thanks for that!! much appreciated
 

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I have to wonder if a part of that is people cashing in on the exchange rate and the US market getting first crack at them?
I would think it comes down to whether or not Yorkville is bringing any into the country. That just applies to seeing them in stores. Of course, you can buy from any country you want and I don't blame people for buying from the US (me included) when L&M expects you to pay full price.
 

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There is indeed a detailed list of the evolution of and changes to the Historic series.
Makes for highly educational reading. It doesn't capture the most recent changes, but those have been discussed at length on both the Les Paul Forum and the My Les Paul forum.
Right here:
Year-by-Year History of the Historic Les Paul Collection
Thanks for that! I've owned several Historics over the years & the best ones tend to be '07s. I guess there was something to the return to Honduran mahogany.
 

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There was a post at the LPF by (I'm pretty sure) Charles Daughtry, he has ins and knows his stuff. Anyways, he wrote that only a small batch of 2007s has Honduras and that Gibson did not keep track of which ones have it. Of course, with the Internet and how things spread, people started claiming that all 2007s have Honduras.
 

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Ahhh, capisce. Kinda like the first few SRV Strats having Brazilian boards.
 

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I have completely lost track of the whole "historic" model details

is there a chart somewhere that breaks down the various historic specs, over the years? and also explains the various models in the historic line?

ie: how is a true historic any different from other historic?


....and why can't they just make the guitars the right way? why all this dilution?

in 1959 a Les Paul was a Les Paul.....they had what, a standard, and a custom? plus the juniors etc

"now introducing the 2019 'absolutely true' historic, a VAST improvement over the 2018 'almost true' historic!! "
I think most of us understand it is Gibson's effort to try and keep their name at the top and keep collectors interested in buying the more expensive offerings. It seems to be working as people are buying them. Heck, someone even started a thread here at GC a few days ago about them and even got me to respond to it!
 

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My guess is that this is partly driven by the success of Historic Makeovers, etc. There are obviously guitarists that can't afford a real 50s Les Paul (or have one but don't want to take it on the road) who will pay extra, either aftermarket or from the builder, for the closest possible version. Gibson has learned what the market wants & is responding by offering many of the enhancements that Kim etc. are doing from the factory.

Even though I can't hear the truss rod condom, I figure that if Gibson wants to capture that segment of the market & the end result is an overall improvement of the quality of their guitars, then good on 'em. Whether or not the enhancements are worth the extra dough to you is another story, but I would imagine that it's a case of diminishing return, which is typical of most high-end instruments.
 

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I tried a True Historic the last time the Gibson tour van came to Steve's here in Montreal. I thought it was a very nice guitar but not any nicer than the regular Historics they made before or since, considering the normal variation between specimens. I have never seen a True Historic in stores.
 

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I tried a True Historic the last time the Gibson tour van came to Steve's here in Montreal. I thought it was a very nice guitar but not any nicer than the regular Historics they made before or since, considering the normal variation between specimens. I have never seen a True Historic in stores.
I imagine the differences are subtle - diminishing returns and all that. But to some people, those differences are worth it. In guitars or wines or cars or watches or linens. I don't understand why people who either don't get it or can't afford it have to be so critical of other people's choices.

Play what you like and like what you play.
 
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