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man, the media just gets better all the time, don't it? a guy walks down a busy street randomly shooting people, but the cops are busy looking for a motive. $5 says it was a arab guy of some sort. he coulda walked right down the street shouting alahu akbar and the media would never report that.

Saunders told a media briefing that the shooter had exchanged fire with police officers and died at the scene. He could not immediately confirm whether the gunman was hit by police fire
because he could have died by having an allergic reaction to a bee sting or something, is that it?

Tory said this incident hasn't given much time for the city to heal after 10 people were killed just a few months ago in a van attack.

In April a white van mounted a sidewalk on a busy Toronto street and ran down pedestrians.

Alek Minassian, 25, of Richmond Hill, Ont., now faces 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder.
armenian. took me quite a while to find that info

multiculturalism and mosaics not working out too well eh? gee, what a shocker!
 

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This kind of shit is going down but our elected officials have spent the last week or so fixated on whether or not it was racialist for a member of Toronto council to wear a bullet proof vest while going for a ride along with the cops in a rough area at 2:00 am.

The SIU investigating the Danforth shootings - really, did the cops do something wrong in the course of stopping some asshole walking around whacking people with a handgun. Maybe they should have offered him protective equipment such as ear plugs and safety goggles like on a firing range.

And then John “if I get mad enough I just might do something” Tory. That dick looks and acts like he was raised by a family of white mice.

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man, the media just gets better all the time, don't it? a guy walks down a busy street randomly shooting people, but the cops are busy looking for a motive. $5 says it was a arab guy of some sort. he coulda walked right down the street shouting alahu akbar and the media would never report that.



because he could have died by having an allergic reaction to a bee sting or something, is that it?



armenian. took me quite a while to find that info

multiculturalism and mosaics not working out too well eh? gee, what a shocker!
The “Armenian” van driving guy was born and raised in Canada. He was an autistic “incel” guy and his motive had nothing to do with race or religion. He has Asperger’s, according to reports. We have a shit-ton of people of Armenian descent in Canada who came here fleeing genocide. He was a social outcast loser. We also have a shit-ton of people from many other countries, depending on how many generations you want to go back. What does it take to be Canadian? The guy was born here.

The guy from yesterday has yet to be publicly identified and police and media are being responsible by not publishing dumbfuck rumours like they do in some other places. When they have the appropriate information, I’m sure they’ll publish it. The guy’s dead, so he’s not talking about motive. Not one witness during the candid interviews I’ve seen mentioned him saying anything about Allah or being Arab, so I don’t know what kind of shit you’re implying there. So far, Angry White Men far outnumber Arabs when it comes to shooting sprees on our continent.

Damn, Cheezy, you are mostly a cool guy, but that post is seriously out there.
 

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I dunno. I think I'm doing alright! And so are most who identify with other cultures. Maybe it's not working out for you? Why is that?
i've been to montreal a few times. there are some areas there that were pretty sketchy, and i was nervous going through them. however, when i was there i was on vacation, doing touristy things. what their crime is actually like, what their level of multiculturalism is, and your understanding of the term, are things i don't know. i wasn't commenting on any of them, partly for that reason. mostly because they are not germain to the discussion. i was fully aware that my comment might inspire a display of virtue signaling. of course i never let things like that stop me. the boy who pointed out the emperor was naked wan't popular either.
however, i did live in toronto, and know it well enough to comment on the multiculturalism there. whether or not you or me or anyone else is doing well is no indication of the success of it. how is society as a whole doing? in toronto, i would say, not too good right now. you have jamaican immigrants killing people on the danforth in a greek neighborhood sandwiched by muslim/arab neighborhoods. there was a van attack, (armenian guy) and a mass shooting there recently, and a mob hit (saudi guy) not all that long ago. somali and jamaican gangs shot up the mall downtown, and then a barbeque in scarborough. sound like just fine to you? to me it doesn't sound what i think of as "just fine".
multi culturalism fails because each culture has different goals and does not share the same ideologies and values and ethics. multiculturalism doesn't mean different cultures that all live harmoniously together and assimilate into one. it means multiple separate cultures all in one area. that's not unity. ever heard the phrase "united we stand, divided we fall"? when you point to an immigrant or non native born person in canada who is doing well because they assimilated into canadian culture, that is not what multiculturalism is, no matter how much you wish it to be so. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. no one is entitled to their own truth. what my entire point is, one only has to look at places like germany, belgium, finland, france and england to see what multiculturalism will do to canada. (for a canadian example, look at what the chinese are doing out in vancouver. not so violent, but their numbers are changing the economy and the politics) if canada continues in it's current course this is your country's future. look at japan. definitely not a multicultural country. their crime is nothing like yours or ours, and they have zero problems with other cultures creating havoc in their country. one culture, all sharing the same goals, values, ideologies, etc.
 

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Immigration and culture mixing is part of what makes us human. We've colonized the world, we've always been migrating, and will continue to do so, especially today with the technology we have access to.

We have to embrace immigration and make it part of our culture. The problem is, when you bring more people in, you also risk bringing more imbeciles as well (unfortunately, also part of human nature..). First thing in my opinion would be to NOT create monocultural neighbourhoods. That's the main issue with Europe right now, so many bigger cities have huge monocultural neighbourhoods, that were built after WWII when huge number of migrants were coming into the countries to help reconstruct everything. Now, a lot of these neighbourhoods have become ghettos. In some bigger cities (Marseille for instance), even the police doesn't dare going into parts of these neighbourhoods.

Last but not least: when they hear about those far right white Christian extremist in the US involved in a mass shooting, people don't get afraid of their white Christian neighbour. But when it's a person from a mid-Eastern country, they do...
 

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Last but not least: when they hear about those far right white Christian extremist in the US involved in a mass shooting, people don't get afraid of their white Christian neighbour. But when it's a person from a mid-Eastern country, they do...
My theory is, when its the "white Christian born and bred several generations back etc" its seen as endemic...theres always going to be a certain amount of nutjobs (statistically). whereas when its the recent immigrant, its thought of as "preventable" if we simply didn't let them in.

I don't know that anti-immigration views equate with racism.

Im old enough to remember when whites had an awful lot of derogatory terms for each other, i've been called a few myself, and the feelings felt a lot like what gets called "racism" today, but couldn't possibly be, since all whites are homogenous, innately love each and only programmed to hate non-whites...while all non-whites love each other along with whites, equally, right? :)

new immigrants have always pissed off people. they often behave differently socially, dont seem to get the established populations "etiquette" or unwritten social rules, they seem to "not-conform", can seem loud and uncouth, they often have lots of annoying unruly kids, and sometimes don't have the same priorities or income to maintain their homes/neighborhoods to "our standards". In time they do usually assimilate to some degree...some more than others.
It was true a 100 years ago when it was the Italians Irish or Ukrainians, and its true today when its muslims, Indians etc.
 

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Maybe, but to me this is no excuse. We're in 2018, we have access to all the History books that we can think of, and they're all full of the mistakes of the past. No need to make them again. All the major conflicts started because people thought their religion/culture was better than the neighbour's. Years( or sadly sometimes centuries) after those conflicts ended, everybody realized this was all BS, and that they could coexist peacefully.

If someone cannot get along with someone from a different culture, then that person should be sent back to school.. In my opinion it's purely an education issue.

Melting pot isn't a solution, it's just making for a bland society that refutes the uniqueness and richness of every different culture. Having a society with multiple cultures living together in harmony is what makes that society more interesting and rich. Look at the older countries in Europe. So many cultural differences between small region even within a single country (pretty obvious if you go to France and Germany for instance). Different dialects, ways of thinking, that are now part of the overall culture.
 

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Melting pot isn't a solution, it's just making for a bland society that refutes the uniqueness and richness of every different culture. Having a society with multiple cultures living together in harmony is what makes that society more interesting and rich. Look at the older countries in Europe. So many cultural differences between small region even within a single country (pretty obvious if you go to France and Germany for instance). Different dialects, ways of thinking, that are now part of the overall culture.
meh...I don't think so. ive travelled to other countries that are more homogenous and didnt find anything bland about them.

id argue on whether your examples, or any, are examples of living in harmony. In a Utopia, yes it would be wonderful if we all got along in spite of our differences. In reality, we get race riots because essentially no one is happy ...the established groups or the immigrants. And its BS to say its just one groups fault.
 

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If someone cannot get along with someone from a different culture, then that person should be sent back to school.. In my opinion it's purely an education issue.
You're entitled to your opinion. Lucky for you you live in a society, or culture, where you are afforded that right.

Do you believe in the freedoms you enjoy? Speech, Free Press, Sexuality, Religion, Equality of the Sexes, the right to an education? Shockingly many of the immigrants now coming to this country don't. Probably because they've never had the opportunity to experience them. Without a melting pot you run the risk of cultural segregation. That's why there are Sharia Courts in London England. Reading those history books and learning from past mistakes is just not working out too well over there, or in most of Europe. Of course I'm sure Canada will handle the problem much better. (sarcasm alert)

Pakistan have just democratically elected a born again Muslim whose platform contained the thought that "feminism is bad for women". Time to get them back in the kitchen and producing babies, which is where they belong. Would you be OK with that happening in Canada?

We are already starting to elect people of diverse cultural backgrounds to office, that is as it should be in a democracy. It is, however, only a matter of time before they start shaping and influencing policy and law. In my own opinion, which I'm also still entitled to, that is already happening. I don't expect any seismic shift during what's left of my life but I still worry about the next generation.

I hope your vision of the future works out and mine doesn't, but if i were a betting man .....................

Sorry for getting somewhat political in the open forum, but I didn't start it :)
 

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Melting pot isn't a solution, it's just making for a bland society that refutes the uniqueness and richness of every different culture. Having a society with multiple cultures living together in harmony is what makes that society more interesting and rich. Look at the older countries in Europe. So many cultural differences between small region even within a single country (pretty obvious if you go to France and Germany for instance). Different dialects, ways of thinking, that are now part of the overall culture.
I'm confused. I agreed with and Liked your post #12 in which you argued against encouraging mono-cultural settlements (mosaic). However in the first sentence of this paragraph you argue against the generally accepted alternative to "mosaic", which is melting pot.

I'll guess that you are younger than I am and have therefore been taught that "melting pot" means a kind of forced integration in which immigrants are expected to fit in and act like the white Anglo-Saxons or French that settled Canada. That's BS, a relatively-recent notion fostered by those who have promoted the politically-potent mosaic approach to immigration and settlement. Melting pot means exactly what the remaining sentences in your paragraph talk about!

For well over a century North America fostered two very successful countries through immigration from all over the world. The often-different cultures melted together into powerful and interesting and usually-harmonious populations that were anything BUT "bland". Good grief, where does that idea come from - it's pure BS!! Ethnic foods, religions, various cultural expressions including festivals and newspapers and radio stations, and more all permeated the shared culture widely, supporting the immigrant cultures and enriching the others around them.

Is stew "bland"?! A well-prepared stew has all sorts of distinct chunks of different flavors in it, but the flavors have also melted together to create something more interesting than a bowl of beef chunks, carrots, potatoes, etc. By living together, learning to get along together, working out community standards together, enjoying each others cultural differences while sharing a few basic aspirations together, people can make an amazing stew.

They did, for over a century. They did it naturally, and it didn't take a lot of grants, ethnic centers, waves of political pandering to one culture over another, gyrations in education systems, and other politically-motivated state interventions arising from the realization that "mosaic" afforded political advantages over "melting pot".

I'm for putting the stew back on the stove. That means decrying state-sponsored ethnicity - the government has no place in the bedrooms, the churches, OR the cultural communities of the nation. Surprisingly much of the state intervention is initiated, implemented and promoted by "white" people, radicals who continue to theorize that their ideas are better than what worked for generations before them. Growing racial tensions - some seen here on this forum - have been discrediting their ideas for some time.

An ocean-going tanker can require up to eight miles to turn around... people really need to start turning the wheel on this one before today's tensions erupt into something that makes today look like "bland" and peaceful coexistence. Relatively-minor examples of that are occasionally occurring where cultural ghettos already exist in parts of Europe, as you noted. Canary in the mine, worse to come.

If someone cannot get along with someone from a different culture, then that person should be sent back to school.. In my opinion it's purely an education issue.
Uh ohhh. Maybe we're far apart after all. Hopefully this was rashly-written. If not, consider reviewing history in the first half of the last century.
 

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Thank you, as usual, for expressing something much more cogently than I am able to do.

I'm confused. I agreed with and Liked your post #12 in which you argued against encouraging mono-cultural settlements (mosaic). However in the first sentence of this paragraph you argue against the generally accepted alternative to "mosaic", which is melting pot.

I'll guess that you are younger than I am and have therefore been taught that "melting pot" means a kind of forced integration in which immigrants are expected to fit in and act like the white Anglo-Saxons or French that settled Canada. That's BS, a relatively-recent notion fostered by those who have promoted the politically-potent mosaic approach to immigration and settlement. Melting pot means exactly what the remaining sentences in your paragraph talk about!

For well over a century North America fostered two very successful countries through immigration from all over the world. The often-different cultures melted together into powerful and interesting and usually-harmonious populations that were anything BUT "bland". Good grief, where does that idea come from - it's pure BS!! Ethnic foods, religions, various cultural expressions including festivals and newspapers and radio stations, and more all permeated the shared culture widely, supporting the immigrant cultures and enriching the others around them.

Is stew "bland"?! A well-prepared stew has all sorts of distinct chunks of different flavors in it, but the flavors have also melted together to create something more interesting than a bowl of beef chunks, carrots, potatoes, etc. By living together, learning to get along together, working out community standards together, enjoying each others cultural differences while sharing a few basic aspirations together, people can make an amazing stew.

They did, for over a century. They did it naturally, and it didn't take a lot of grants, ethnic centers, waves of political pandering to one culture over another, gyrations in education systems, and other politically-motivated state interventions arising from the realization that "mosaic" afforded political advantages over "melting pot".

I'm for putting the stew back on the stove. That means decrying state-sponsored ethnicity - the government has no place in the bedrooms, the churches, OR the cultural communities of the nation. Surprisingly much of the state intervention is initiated, implemented and promoted by "white" people, radicals who continue to theorize that their ideas are better than what worked for generations before them. Growing racial tensions - some seen here on this forum - have been discrediting their ideas for some time.

An ocean-going tanker can require up to eight miles to turn around... people really need to start turning the wheel on this one before today's tensions erupt into something that makes today look like "bland" and peaceful coexistence. Relatively-minor examples of that are occasionally occurring where cultural ghettos already exist in parts of Europe, as you noted. Canary in the mine, worse to come.



Uh ohhh. Maybe we're far apart after all. Hopefully this was rashly-written. If not, consider reviewing history in the first half of the last century.
 
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