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On my way to a jam and stopped through Williams Arms in Port Perry to see what was going on; walked out with a used (but beautiful) Marlin 30-30. My first 30-30 and also first lever-action rifle. The lever has been upgraded to a bigger loop style & I'm not sure about the scope being stock with the rifle or not, Marlin do sell scope mounted versions, but they're also changing up suppliers all the time - I'll have to look into it more. Haven't gotten to test it yet, but I'm eager to shoot up to the local gun club and put some rounds through it next week.

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When my beloved late-50's Epi Windsor got stolen from my apartment locker, I was pretty sure it was because the bag it was in made it look like a rifle from the outside. So sometimes guitars and guns get confused.
 

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30-30 cal rifle= most useful rifle on the market

Small and light to carry, doesn't kick like a horse, enough firepower to drop a deer at 150 meters

Yes sir I like it.

However I use/prefer crossbows (legal in Alberta during rifle season)
 

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are you guys sure you're canadians? this is a rather american-flavored thread....
I'd say it's a pretty Canadian thread. We too at one point were frontiersman and woman of this land, and having a rifle for both sustenance and protection was key. Just as important as a shovel. I know times are different from then, but hunting still plays a crucial role in maintaining an ecosystem here.

However I use/prefer crossbows (legal in Alberta during rifle season)
Crossbows are legal in Ontario and generally get longer seasons that rifles/shotguns. If deer season lasts 2 weeks, then crossbows generally get a month, and so on.
 

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... but hunting still plays a crucial role in maintaining an ecosystem here.
Hum hum hum ... I don't have anything against hunting. Friends come for deer on my property every fall. They give me a nice piece of meat when they're successful. But saying that hunting maintains the ecosystem, is a bit presumptuous in my opinion. Ecosystems are usually well better off without human input. All we tend to do, is f_ck them up.

Deer population will prosper if there is food enough for them to do so. Mild winters will help too. If they reproduce too much, food becomes scarce and they don't have as many fawns. If a winter is either too cold or receives too much snow, some will die and again, they won't reproduce much. THAT is what I call an ecosystem that regulates itself, that's what ecosystems do.

You might tell me that they are a pest where you're at. I know what it is, it's 14 deer to 1 km² around here. One car accident out of 4 is due to deer. Insane. I hit one every 5 years on average. But why are there so many ? Because we tilted the equilibrium by destroying their habitats, so they now feed themselves in corn fields and orchards. WE put our hand in the ecosystem and f_cked it up. So yes, we now try to regulate the situation by killing some, but it has nothing to do with pretending to maintain an ecosystem.

Sorry ... I had to go there.
 

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Hum hum hum ... I don't have anything against hunting. Friends come for deer on my property every fall. They give me a nice piece of meat when they're successful. But saying that hunting maintains the ecosystem, is a bit presumptuous in my opinion. Ecosystems are usually well better off without human input. All we tend to do, is f_ck them up.

Deer population will prosper if there is food enough for them to do so. Mild winters will help too. If they reproduce too much, food becomes scarce and they don't have as many fawns. If a winter is either too cold or receives too much snow, some will die and again, they won't reproduce much. THAT is what I call an ecosystem that regulates itself, that's what ecosystems do.

You might tell me that they are a pest where you're at. I know what it is, it's 14 deer to 1 km² around here. One car accident out of 4 is due to deer. Insane. I hit one every 5 years on average. But why are there so many ? Because we tilted the equilibrium by destroying their habitats, so they now feed themselves in corn fields and orchards. WE put our hand in the ecosystem and f_cked it up. So yes, we now try to regulate the situation by killing some, but it has nothing to do with pretending to maintain an ecosystem.

Sorry ... I had to go there.
While this is partially true, do you not recognize deer overpopulation as a consequence of us already f'ing up the ecosystem. We've removed their predators because, well, if they're big enough to hunt deer, they would have a good long look at our Lil Johnny, too. And cats and dog and livestock. Once deer's natural enemies were gone, and food was as plentiful as ever, deer population exploded. Hunting is one of the reactions that tries to rebalance the ecosystem we've already screwed up for our own safety.

They got rid of wolves in Yosemite park decades ago, I think it was. Pretty soon, all their prey were overpopulating and eating all the natural flora, close to disastrous with no respite. They've since reintroduced the wolves because, well, the devil you know ...............

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On guns? I've had them, I've used them, had firearms training, etc. They seem like they're unnecessary in the big smoke. Well, until the Zombie Apocolypse.

I don't like game (give me a dumb old cow any day) and I don't like waking up early, so hunting's not my thing. But 40 years ago, we thought nothing of the fact that every pickup had a gun rack in the back window with a 30/30 and shotgun. And maybe a .22 for the kids. This was life in the west, and still is in some more remote areas. This is big country. Not even has been everywhere.
 

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I look at hunting the way high/deaf mentioned. We eliminated the natural predators of the area, thus becoming the apex predator species because our big brains allow us to create tools (like firearms) that bring us to the top. However, regardless of our big brains, it does not mean we are excluded from the ecosystem we force our presence into.

More than anything though, they're just good fun. Shoot some target, or clay, and most of all BE SAFE.
 

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No, I think it's Canadian.

If it was American, it would be fully auto with the intent of shooting humans.
Pretty general comment. I'd hate to see a comment about my country with that feeel to it. Btw, people kill people not guns. Sometime guns are used, other times ....... long list.
 
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