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Hi there,
I have been stewing over the origins of this great old guitar for a few weeks now and have come to a conclusion. I rang most of the big vintage stores in States and spoke to some great old hands. I had a 5 or 6 guys look at it here in Vancouver to hear their opinions. Now I would like to hear any words of wisdom from forum members.
This guitar was purchased in the late '70s and was gigged for a few years and has been sitting in its case for the last 20 years. A young client brought it in to authenticate it and to possibly sell it. This is not an open a shut case, black Jags are rare and even rarer is gold hardware. After much deliberation I have come to conclusion that the neck has been refinished. This neck is an odd one, it is stamped B width but has an A in marker pen under the lacquer. It has been shaved down to an A width and also is loose fit in the neck pocket. The slimming of the neck looks fairly amateur and uneven, but this was a weird time at Fender. The finish on the back under the black light refracts as it should, but I believe it to be an old refin. The black headstock however doesn't refract at all while the body shows up a sweet opaque blue. Our initial theory was that maybe the headstock wasn't clear coated so it wouldn't show up well under the black light.
I ended up tracking down another black '64 Jag with matching headstock at Rudy's in New York. After a good chat with the vintage tech there he told me that their Jag's headstock was clear coated. So after numerous phone calls and 6 guys all giving opinions I have come to the conclusion that the neck has been refinished. The rest of the guitar is all there and looks the goods, the odd single line Kluson is also a mystery?
I would like to hear what the forum members say about this guitar.
Cheers Dave,
Dave's Vintage Guitars
Feedback Score 5 (100%) hi dave-
cant help much, but i think the double line klusons were introduced in 64-
so they could have used old stock, especially since they were using the gold hardware. up till 64 they used the single line ones i believe.
its entirely possible that the headstock didnt get a clear coat at the factory, and black headstocks didnt get the full decal.
lot of mysteries here, but lovely guitar.
i want.
Feedback Score 1 (100%) Fraser,
It is a great guitar and it has provided a challenge finding out info. The odd tuner has me thrown off. This guitar would have been a custom order and would have cost a small fortune so I am convinced that it would have been all matching. My guess is that the tuner broke and since gold is so rare that they used the first one they could find. It is ironic that they used an even rarer single line Kluson. You are right on with the decal but this one to my eyes looks a little too new. I guess with all of the uncertainties on its originality it is best to assume a refin. I wouldn't mind hearing from anyone that has encountered similar guitars in their time, I guess they are rare.
Did you find out anymore info on the Teisco??
Dave.
Feedback Score 5 (100%) hey dave, did you try posting about this guitar here?-
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some pretty knowledgeable folks there, and theyve seen it all.
no new info on the teisco, except that it gets cooler and funkier everytime i pick it up.
Rzzzzzzzzzz!
Feedback Score 0 Dave, you could also try posting here: guitar-collector.org
Cheers,
Alex
PS: Fraser, what model Teisco do you have?
Feedback Score 5 (100%) Alex, the one we are talking about is a guitar i purchased from Dave. we call it a teisco, but its probably something else. lol.Originally Posted by Alex Csank
thats why Dave asks, its a bit of a mystery.
no matter, its a very cool guitar, and im not selling it, so its more for our own personal interest that we wonder-
you can see it here
60s teisco/kawaii
i also have this one
Teisco EB-220
Rzzzzzzzzzz!
Feedback Score 0 It looks like one of the Kent, Silvertone, Truetone or other Kawaii-made two-Pups from about 1965-67. They were pretty popular and were usually department-store brand guitars (though I don't ever remember them being sold at Canadian Tire - the only REALLY important store when I was a kid!) Very cool! I especially liked the video...that's the kind of 'sloppy' slide playing that can only be played right when inebriated...and you did that very well!
My single pup '69 Teisco ET-110 Tulip named "Megalon" has a similar slide sound, but it's just a little 'cheesier'.
Cheers,
Alex
Feedback Score 1 (100%) Alex,
Thanks for the link I will get onto these 2 new sources and see where they take me. That little Teisco guitar is still a mystery, I guess it is safe to say it is Japanese. I remember the night I went to get it, it was a bit of a mission but I picked up a '63 and '66 Harmony Bobcat from the same guy. The '63 had the neck snapped in half but the '66 turned out really nice with a clean up, it had 2 gold foil DeArmonds in it. Every now and then a few great little vintage guitars pop up and I was lucky enough to luck out there.
Dave.
Feedback Score 0 I dunno much but you probably already know this but they go from $3000-$4000 online...
Feedback Score 0 Unknow and others pictures by Electraglide49 - Photobucket
Well, I hope the link to the album works. Would have posted seperate pics but I can't quite figure that out yet. Anyway, the "Teisco" sorta looks like the Kent Polaris II and Unknown 1. Maybe same factory, Fujigen Gakkii, different names perhaps. Don't know when Unknown 1 was painted but I got in touch with where I bought it to see if they could help. Unknown 2 is something I picked up, stripped down and cleaned up. 3 pc solid body, 1 pc neck, no id. anywhere. Think it's from the 70's. The Kent hollowbody is late '60s. I would say a different factory than the Polaris II. And I checked out the video. Original composition?
Need a few parts for the Polaris II. "String retainer", chicken head knob, bridge base and logo. Might make the base myself if I get some brass. Got any parts hanging around Dave? Need a few trem parts for Unknown 1 but I have a few old Harley valve springs and a silver butterknife that might work.
And someone had to mention Silvertone. One would look quite nice with the Kent hollow and the Canora and the JF1. Hollowbody of course. Didn't have Canadian Tire where I grew up, just Sears, The Bay and Eatons. The music store sold pianos and violins.
Anyway, for now, the sun is shining and the road is calling. Might go looking for old motocycles and guitars again. After I mow the lawn......the keeper of the family fortune mentioned that.
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