Gig or VH Concert? [Archive] - GuitarsCanada.com

Milkman

10-24-2007, 08:39 PM

Acckkk... I really want to go see VH, have a buddy who got tickets, but they moved the Calgary show back a few days to FRI Dec 7th. Dammitt.. I'm booked for a pub gig that night. Maybe I could re-book...

What should I do?

I'm horrified to see people recommending going to a show over PLAYING a show.

Un freaking believeable.

Play the gig. Even the lowliest gig on the planet is more important than going to a concert IMO.

hello? The show must......

can you dig it?:rockon2:

violation

10-24-2007, 10:25 PM

Even the lowliest gig on the planet is more important than going to a concert IMO.
Not when it's Van Halen! :rockon2::bow::rockon2:

Haha.

I would give a kidney to see EVH... so if anyone out there is interested... lofu

Milkman

10-24-2007, 10:48 PM

Thare are a lot of bands and solo artists I'd love to see too, but it's sort of a code of honour.

I'd play.:rockon:

ClintonHammond

10-25-2007, 03:11 AM

Code schmode.....

It won't be the end of the world if you can the gig and go see VH......

fraser

10-25-2007, 03:23 AM

I'm horrified to see people recommending going to a show over PLAYING a show.

Un freaking believeable.

Play the gig. Even the lowliest gig on the planet is more important than going to a concert IMO.

hello? The show must......

can you dig it?:rockon2:

yah thats messed up- now i remember why i dont play in bands with other people:smile: id put a band PRACTICE, let alone a gig, before any concert- and thats why i never saw stevie ray vaughn. kinda makes me sick in my stomach just thinking about it- the world is full of fall down people. i doubt eddie van halen, or any other successful musician has/had this kind of attitude.

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 06:44 AM

I'm horrified to see people recommending going to a show over PLAYING a show.

Un freaking believeable.

Play the gig. Even the lowliest gig on the planet is more important than going to a concert IMO.

hello? The show must......

can you dig it?:rockon2:

Hey, if its what you do for a living, I can understand that the gig is more important, but the reality is, the most important thing in life is what ever satisfies the individual, so its very freaking believable!
That being said, if going to the concert meant letting down the band, I would do the gig. I got the impression he may be able to reschedule the gig?

Paul

10-25-2007, 07:29 AM

Hey, if its what you do for a living, I can understand that the gig is more important, but the reality is, the most important thing in life is what ever satisfies the individual, so its very freaking believable!
That being said, if going to the concert meant letting down the band, I would do the gig. I got the impression he may be able to reschedule the gig?

It's not about letting down the band, it might even be a solo gig for all I know. A reputation is something that is slowly built up with many large acts, and quickly destroyed with one small one. Robboman gave his word and accepted a gig. Now he wants us to give him absolution to blow the gig off. I wouldn't blow off the gig If I were in his shoes, and I won't tell him that a VH concert is good reason.

I've re-read the terms and conditions on the AFM Live Performance Contract for Canada. "I'd rather go to a Van Halen concert" is not a valid condition for non-fulfillment.

My word is worth a lot to me.

How much is your word worth to you?

laristotle

10-25-2007, 07:51 AM

How much is your word worth to you?

That about says it all IMO.

Paul

10-25-2007, 08:27 AM

That about says it all IMO.

Don't get me wrong, there are valid reasons to miss or cancel or change a gig. I've been lucky enough to avoid those complications so far. I once did a gig with a guy whose wife rolled her car and collapsed both lungs that afternoon. He made the gig. A bit unfocused, but he made the gig.

The marraige didn't make it tho'.:smile:

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 08:55 AM

My word is worth a lot to me.

How much is your word worth to you?

My word is only worth something to my family and friends! After that, I don't give a crap what anyone thinks about my word.

I am playing a gig this Saturday. We approached the bar owner to play on this particular Saturday for a specific reason. He had a band previously booked. We promised him a full house. He called us the next day to say he rescheduled the other band in favor of us.

Point of the story, don't worry about the bar owner because he will do whats best for him if the situation arises.

Paul

10-25-2007, 09:13 AM

My word is only worth something to my family and friends! After that, I don't give a crap what anyone thinks about my word.

I am playing a gig this Saturday. We approached the bar owner to play on this particular Saturday for a specific reason. He had a band previously booked. We promised him a full house. He called us the next day to say he rescheduled the other band in favor of us.

Point of the story, don't worry about the bar owner because he will do whats best for him if the situation arises.

If I was the other band, I would have had a contract.

Mr. David Severson

10-25-2007, 09:44 AM

I had an offer to play but Vh was on that date..I turned the gig down. I play a lot and need a break anyways.:rockon2:

Ripper

10-25-2007, 10:38 AM

Thare are a lot of bands and solo artists I'd love to see too, but it's sort of a code of honour.

I'd play.:rockon:

exactly, honour and ethics. A commitment made is a commitment kept. If it was a family emergency or sickness, that's one thing, but the gig should come first.

ClintonHammond

10-25-2007, 10:48 AM

" I've re-read the terms and conditions on the AFM Live Performance Contract for Canada"

Holy take-it-way-too-seriously Batman....

Robboman.... Don't let the tightarses scare you or delude you.... If you really want to go to the concert, try as hard as you can to fill someone in to your gig.... Hopefully someone you can even swap gig dates with.

It's a pub gig... Not the end of the world....

I've swapped pub gig dates plenty of times. For myself (So I can go do something else) or as favours to fellow musicians who wanted/needed to go do something else.

"He made the gig."
Bully for him... I read that as a prime example of someone who's priorities are a total mess. Maybe his marriage would have 'made it' had he not been such a d!ck.

" My word is only worth something to my family and friends!"
Hear FN hear!

david henman

10-25-2007, 11:09 AM

exactly, honour and ethics. A commitment made is a commitment kept. If it was a family emergency or sickness, that's one thing, but the gig should come first.

...absolutely! a gig never, ever gets cancelled except under the most extreme circumstances.

i gave up an opportunity to see jeff beck (for free!!!) at massey hall a few years ago, rather than cancel a gig.

-dh

Paul

10-25-2007, 11:22 AM

" I've re-read the terms and conditions on the AFM Live Performance Contract for Canada"

Holy take-it-way-too-seriously Batman....

Actually, I take what I do very seriously. The part of the contract that applies is this:

“No party hereto shall be held liable for delay, loss damage or non-fulfillment of the terms of this contract if and to the extent that such loss, damage or non-fulfillment is caused by an occurrence beyond the reasonable control of such party, including but no limited to proven sickness or accident to any musician(s), delay of transportation services or accident to means of transportation, riots, strikes, epidemics, acts of God, compliance with any act, regulation, order or request of any governmental authority or agency, or any other causes, whether direct or indirect, not within the reasonable control of such party hereto.”

Basically the clause says that sometimes excrement occurs, and we'll all be grownups about it.

"He made the gig."

Bully for him... I read that as a prime example of someone who's priorities are a total mess. Maybe his marriage would have 'made it' had he not been such a d!ck.

Yes, that was a bad decision for him. But he kept his word, and at the time she supported that.

"My word is only worth something to my family and friends!"

Hear FN hear!

That's kinda sad. I try hard to make sure that my word is good, no matter who is or isn't listening. Ethics is what you do when nobody is watching.

Perhaps working with the pub owner and another act is a workable solution. That's a road I choose to not travel.

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 11:38 AM

That's kinda sad. I try hard to make sure that my word is good, no matter who is or isn't listening.

If your word is so important to you, why do you require a contract from the bar owner? Why not take his word for it that he'll pay you? Is his word not as good as yours?

ClintonHammond

10-25-2007, 11:39 AM

"I take what I do very seriously"
Bully for you. That, and a buck-fifty will get you a small cup of lousy coffee... Expecting that the whole world has to, aught to, should behave exactly like you would is delusional.

"The part of the contract that applies is this:"
I could care less about your 'contract', but that would require effort.

It's most telling that the OP hasn't come back to this thread.

"That's a road I choose to not travel"
Your loss, mate.

Paul

10-25-2007, 11:48 AM

Expecting that the whole world has to, aught to, should behave exactly like you would is delusional.

You do realize that the OP asked for input on this, don't you? Many of have responded on both sides of the issue. Some of us have provided our reasons for our choices. I don't expect that the whole world should behave as I do. I do expect that people should honour their word. Sadly, I'm finding that some take a measure of pride in not applying any worth to their word.

I choose to be a member of the AFM because membership gets me gigs I wouldn't get, membership affords both me and the purchaser rights and protections through the use of the standard AFM Live Performance Contract for Canada, and membership allows me to participate in a well funded defined benefit pension plan. It's that simple for me.

YMMV, and apparently they do.

Paul

10-25-2007, 12:09 PM

I enjoy playing gigs more than just about anything.

A friend of mine who is a full time professional bassist has a motto:

"Never not play".

Aside from all of my little reasons, "Never Not Play" should be the overriding reason to do the job.

ClintonHammond

10-25-2007, 12:19 PM

"Never not play"

Which may be fine if you're a full time, professional bassist.... How many of those are there in the world?

We don't know that the OP doesn't do this as a hobby... or as a side-line....

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 01:38 PM

So the only people who can trust or rely on you are your family and friends?

That doesn't surprise me.

As negative as you seem to make that sound, they are the only ones that really matter to me.

I don't give a crap if anyone agrees with my opinion about telling the OP to skip the gig. I question why my opinion and others who share the same opinion and have a life outside of "the band" are judged as unethical, and not trustworthy?

People have different priorities so get off your high horses and stop judging people just because you don't agree with their priorities.

Note: Final sentence not directed at jroberts.

ClintonHammond

10-25-2007, 02:01 PM

"People have different priorities so get off your high horses"
Hear FKN hear!!!

Bartender, put one of whatever he's having on my tab would ya!

RIFF WRATH

10-25-2007, 02:03 PM

Hey
i pride my self on keeping my word.......sometimes it's not possible....then an appology and/or explaination is in order..............that said...............who knows..........VH may turn around and not do the concert.........they get cancelled and/or rescheduled all the time.......
cheers
RIFF

Jeff Flowerday

10-25-2007, 02:27 PM

If it's like any other Calgary bar gig, you barelly make enough money to make it worth your while. You do it because you enjoy it, the bar owner is the only one that comes out ahead.

Do what you'll enjoy more, as long as the band mates agree. The bar owner has more than enough time to find a replacement, not like it's hard for find a band willing to work for cheap in this city.

Paul

10-25-2007, 03:19 PM

I'm loathe to turn down a show, much less cancel a show, at least in part because I want to make sure that all the major talent buyers in town know that I am 100% reliable and I will always follow through on my commitments.

I believe the appropriate response, (if I have been reading this thread correctly), to this is "Hear f'n Hear!!!!

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 03:35 PM

It all comes down to...

2. Whether you are trying to build or maintain a reputation for being reliable, dependable and available. I'm loathe to turn down a show, much less cancel a show, at least in part because I want to make sure that all the major talent buyers in town know that I am 100% reliable and I will always follow through on my commitments.

In the end, the bar owner only cares how much money he makes off your performance. You can be 100% reliable but if you don't bring in the crowd, see ya later Mr. Reliable. :wave:

I'd much rather have a reputation for bringing in huge crowds and the bar owner paying extra just for the band showing up! Yeah, I'm dreaming! kjdr

Robboman

10-25-2007, 03:45 PM

4 pages and counting... is there a post-quantity contest or something? :banana:

Thanks for all the input. I never said I would cancel, break a committment, "skip" or "blow off the gig". Nor would I ever go back on "my word" or break any "code of honour". Aye Carumba! You guys are welcome to debate these principals anyway, (I'll join you later), but they don't apply to my situation at all.

For the record, since I failed to elaborate in my OP:

This pub has local bands every weekend, we've been in maybe a dozen times over the past 2 or 3 years.

The manager knows us and likes us.

They have several other regular bands, many more would probably love a shot at getting in. It's not exactly A circuit, but it's not one of those "lowly" gigs either. It's actually kind of sought after.

The date in question is 6 weeks away.
Conclusion? Should be simple to trade weekends with another band given that kind of lead time. Pub won't mind, I'll get to see VH and a few weeks later I'll be back in the pub, trying like an idiot to pull off EVH tapping and whammy dives throughout every solo.

Of course, if I CAN'T find a sub band for some reason, I'll do the gig.

If you play on the bar circuit for any length of time you'd know that these sorts of re-schedules happen all the time. No big deal. Dont do it constantly or cancel a day or two before a gig. The latter is totally unprofessional, yet I've lost count of the times I've been called on a Wed or Thurs to go play somewhere on Fri/Sat because some other band cancelled.

As for debate on why you would want to attend a show vs play a gig, it all depends on the show. And the gig. And the player, for that matter. That high pedestal I used to place "gigs" on has come down a lot lower as I get older. Don't get me wrong, I still love playing, but when you gig as much as I do for as long as I have you tend to value nights off just as much. Especially when your first childhood guitar hero is in town :food-smiley-004:

Lastly, none of this would be an issue for me if VH hadn't re-scheduled their Calgary show from Dec 11th to the 7th! Those bastards! They broke the code of honour! :banana:

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 03:57 PM

Conclusion? Should be simple to trade weekends with another band given that kind of lead time. Pub won't mind, I'll get to see VH and a few weeks later I'll be back in the pub, trying like an idiot to pull off EVH tapping and whammy dives throughout every solo.

Ha Ha! :food-smiley-004:

ClintonHammond

10-25-2007, 04:34 PM

"I've lost count of the times I've been called on a Wed or Thurs to go play somewhere on Fri/Sat because some other band cancelled."

I've lost count of the number of times I've picked up the phone at 9:30 PM and been asked "What are you doing tonight?" to which my response has been "Let me guess, playing music at your pub?" because some wanker has done a no-show, or 'called in sick' at the last moment (Sometimes because they found something on TV they'd rather watch)

Picked up a 10PM start gig last night.... at 5:30.... The regular guy was stuck in Boston and wasn't gonna make it back... I had a bucket of fun, a few beers and made a few bucks while I was at it.

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 05:05 PM

.........................

Man, Mr Hammond just kinda did a 180 there?? he he

Milkman

10-25-2007, 05:12 PM

Hey, if its what you do for a living, I can understand that the gig is more important, but the reality is, the most important thing in life is what ever satisfies the individual, so its very freaking believable!
That being said, if going to the concert meant letting down the band, I would do the gig. I got the impression he may be able to reschedule the gig?

Money has NOTHING to do with it in my opinion. It's a code of honour.

Everybody has their own standards. Mine dictate that being in the audience of a show is less important than playing a show.

If a gig is good enough to accept, it's good enough to play.

Being a pro or an amateur is not a factor.

I guess I'm just old school, but let's just say if you hired me to play a show or even to do sound, I'm going to be there.

The first time you pup out of a gig is the toughest. it gets easier after that.

Paul

10-25-2007, 05:50 PM

Being a pro or an amateur is not a factor.

I think we both agree that "professional" more about conduct than cash.

The first time you pup out of a gig is the toughest. it gets easier after that.

I've got a friend who gigs 220+ nights a year. In the past 20 years he's missed 2 gigs, both due to weather. The most recent was last Feb. when he was supposed to play for me. I thought he was gonna cry when he told me he wasn't coming. He takes it that serious.

He's got a really good rolodex of players, and he's sent in a sub on occasion, with the full approval in advance of the leader. Soemtimes you have to have a plan in place when your wife could go into labour at any moment. I guess my point is that it doesn't get easier for the "professionals".

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 06:18 PM

Money has NOTHING to do with it in my opinion. It's a code of honour.

Everybody has their own standards. Mine dictate that being in the audience of a show is less important than playing a show.

If a gig is good enough to accept, it's good enough to play.

Being a pro or an amateur is not a factor.

I guess I'm just old school, but let's just say if you hired me to play a show or even to do sound, I'm going to be there.

The first time you pup out of a gig is the toughest. it gets easier after that.

Are you married or have any kids?
I guess you wouldn't ditch a gig to see your kids school play or football game even it was extremely important to them?

If anybody really paid attention to the initail post, Dec. 7th is a way off and if cancelling a gig 47 days ahead of time is considered unreliable................. well screw them!

Milkman

10-25-2007, 06:34 PM

Are you married or have any kids?
I guess you wouldn't ditch a gig to see your kids school play or football game even it was extremely important to them?

If anybody really paid attention to the initail post, Dec. 7th is a way off and if cancelling a gig 47 days ahead of time is considered unreliable................. well screw them!

I'm married and have four children and I would be doing them a disservice if I cancelled a gig to attend a sporting event. What kind of example would I be setting?

Here's a little FYI.

In thirty years of gigging I have never cancelled a gig.

In fifteen years of employment with my current company I have never taken a sick day, never arrived one minute late and never left a minute early.

I'm not expecting you to follow my standards. I'm just stating what they are.

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 06:52 PM

I'm married and have four children and I would be doing them a disservice if I cancelled a gig to attend a sporting event. What kind of example would I be setting?

The example of a caring father?

In fifteen years of employment with my current company I have never taken a sick day, never arrived one minute late and never left a minute early.

Well, running my own business for the last 20 years, I don't know what being sick, or being late are? I can say that I haven't let down a customer or an employee ever.

I'm not expecting you to follow my standards. I'm just stating what they are.

I don't follow standards that are lower then mine.

ne1roc

10-25-2007, 07:20 PM

Edit: What do you know?! If the public profiles are right, ne1roc is actually older than Paul, older then me and only 4 years younger than Milkman. From his posts, I had always assumed that ne1roc was a teenager! If that's not the case, I apologize.

No offense taken.

I haven't gotten to where I am in life by trying to be a politically correct news anchorman type. I say what I believe, and if my viewpoint is regarded as immature or assinine(is that how you spellit).....................oh well.

Jeff Flowerday

10-25-2007, 07:55 PM

The example of a caring father?

Well, running my own business for the last 20 years, I don't know what being sick, or being late are? I can say that I haven't let down a customer or an employee ever.

I don't follow standards that are lower then mine.

ne1roc let's not make this personal by bringing up fatherhood.

Thanks,
Jeff

zontar

10-25-2007, 08:35 PM

The gig. You made a commitment. "Something better came along" isn't a good enough reason to blow off a gig.

It's tough enough for musicians to make a decent $$$ as it is. Anything that gives club owners ammunition to de-value our work even more is just counter productive.

That's just my opinion, but then again, you did ask.

I have to agree with this post. It's a commitment--and you'll learn more playing than watching. It will do more for you.

Paul

10-25-2007, 09:06 PM

In thirty years of gigging I have never cancelled a gig.

In fifteen years of employment with my current company I have never taken a sick day, never arrived one minute late and never left a minute early.

Can we change your name to Ripkin?

That's an enviable record. I've never missed a gig, (I've played thousands fewer than you), but I am a migraine sufferer, and I take sick days. Not many, but it happens.

GuitarsCanada

10-25-2007, 09:55 PM

david henman

10-26-2007, 11:18 AM

I don't follow standards that are lower then mine.

....and the clinton hammond award for smug proclamations goes to...!!!

-dh

Milkman

10-26-2007, 12:22 PM

The example of a caring father?

Well, running my own business for the last 20 years, I don't know what being sick, or being late are? I can say that I haven't let down a customer or an employee ever.

I don't follow standards that are lower then mine.

LOL, wow, you're questioning my dedication as a father. Classy.

If my standards are lower than yours, why am I the one who would play the gig while you would be sitting in a seat at the VH concert?

Interesting.

Paul

10-26-2007, 12:38 PM

....and the clinton hammond award for smug proclamations goes to...!!!

-dh

I believe the trophy would look a bit like this:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~sword4hire/vinlander1.jpg

And yes, that is really Mr. Hammond!

ClintonHammond

10-26-2007, 01:50 PM

Yes... that is me. So what?

Are you really dumb enough to try to embarrass me with something -I- put on the internet???

I can understand why my level of self-confidence is intimidating to small people....

Definition of the word smug....
"1.contentedly confident of one's ability, superiority, or correctness"

It's funny (And a little bit sad) that you try to say it like it's a bad thing, because my confidence scares you....

Paul

10-26-2007, 02:25 PM

other definitions, obtained by googling define"smug"

self-righteously complacent

too obviously pleased, with oneself

marked by excessive complacency or self-satisfaction

conceited and self-satisfied

narrowly contented with one's own accomplishments, beliefs, morality, etc.; self-satisfied to an annoying degree; complacent

affectedly precise; smooth and prim

arrogantly self-complacent or self-satisfied

But hey, the definition you chose really seems to support all of the other ones. I wonder why that is?

ClintonHammond

10-26-2007, 02:30 PM

"self-satisfied to an annoying degree"

I'm not annoyed in the least.... Especially not so annoyed I feel the need to try to make lame attempts at Ad Hominem...

Heh... Trying to embarrass ME? That's funny.

david henman

10-26-2007, 02:39 PM

Yes... that is me. So what?
Are you really dumb enough to try to embarrass me with something -I- put on the internet???
I can understand why my level of self-confidence is intimidating to small people....
Definition of the word smug....
"1.contentedly confident of one's ability, superiority, or correctness"
It's funny (And a little bit sad) that you try to say it like it's a bad thing, because my confidence scares you....

...look up the word "irony".

-dh

Paul

10-26-2007, 02:41 PM

...look up the word "irony".

-dh

I don't know about the rest of you, but that's what I do after I "washy".

Could we be any farther off the original topic? (italics added to make me sound like Chandler Byng on Friends).

ClintonHammond

10-26-2007, 02:48 PM

"This message is hidden because david henman is on your ignore list (http://guitarscanada.com/Board/profile.php?do=editlist)."

Is something I never cease to enjoy reading on this forum

"off the original topic"
The OP has been answered, over and over.....

ClintonHammond

10-26-2007, 03:20 PM

Took me a lot of hours to make that thing....

Have worn it a couple of times on stage.... and once or twice as part of Halloween costumes... It usually wins a bunch of prizes.

I'll tell ya though, the next day, my LEGS KILL me! It's a hella workout!

LOL

Mostly now it just lays around in storage. One day I wanna redo it in stainless steel....

Jeff Flowerday

10-26-2007, 03:46 PM

Have worn it a couple of times on stage....

The poor back of you guitar has gotta take a beating. :eek:

ClintonHammond

10-26-2007, 03:48 PM

No no no.... With a guitar is not the only way I 'take the stage'

I sing... I dance... I act.... just another triple threat!

,-)

GuitarsCanada

10-26-2007, 04:54 PM

Hey CH, you ever come across this guy in your travels?

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/lespauldouble/roleplayer.jpg

Hamm Guitars

10-26-2007, 04:56 PM

Hey CH, you ever come across this guy in your travels?

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/lespauldouble/roleplayer.jpg

Are you sure that's a guy????

Now I've got to find those pictures of me in a kilt.....

ClintonHammond

10-26-2007, 06:14 PM

"you ever come across this guy in your travels?"
Nope

violation

10-26-2007, 11:05 PM

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/lespauldouble/roleplayer.jpg
I don't know what she told you but it was a 1 time thing... we made some bad decisions, she mentioned bondage and next thing you know I'm wearing a wig and she's holding a camera and a whip.

http://www.laultramorada.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/whipping.gif

:food-smiley-015:

laristotle

10-27-2007, 08:50 AM

I sing... I dance... I act.... just another triple threat!

,-)
thought I recognized you...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/stevelens/Album2/MP004.jpg

david henman

10-29-2007, 01:18 PM

"This message is hidden because david henman is on your ignore list (http://guitarscanada.com/Board/profile.php?do=editlist)."
Is something I never cease to enjoy reading on this forum.....

...its an honour!

:bow:

-dh

ClintonHammond

10-29-2007, 02:17 PM

I wasn't in Holy Grail.... but I've been paid to sing songs from Spamalot.

That was a BUCKET of fun, lemme tell ya

Michelle

10-29-2007, 05:28 PM

Took me a lot of hours to make that thing....

...

I can't imagine having the patience to do that, very cool, nice job! :wave:

ClintonHammond

10-29-2007, 06:53 PM

As with all piece work, you get into a 'zone' if you're lucky, and your mind wanders while your hands do the work, and before you know it, another 5000 rings have been added.

Steeler

11-05-2007, 02:26 PM

My word is my bond.... I would honor any commitments I made.

I already missed free seat at concerts I wanted to attend because I was booked.

When I discover someone who does not live by this code, I do my best to not deal with them.

There's nothing wrong with asking the venue for a change of date, but it's their call.

Paul

12-14-2007, 08:06 AM

Wellll,

What happened? VH or the job?

We're all, (well at least me, b'cause I bumped), dying to know.

Paul

12-17-2007, 03:09 PM

Another bump, would still like to know the outcome......

Robboman

12-18-2007, 04:26 PM

Oh yeah, sorry I forgot to update this!

I went to VH and had my buddy Jim sub in for the guitar spot at the gig. He's an old friend that we know from way back, and his band happened to be off that night. He knows a lot of the same songs and was happy to be my stunt double for the night. After the concert I dropped into the pub for beers and caught the last set, it sounded just fine!

Summary:

VH rocked!
My band didn't have to give up gig
Jim picked up an extra paying night
Bar was happy. We re-booked them again for Jan 11/12
I played the Sat and had wayyy more fun than usual pretending I was Eddie.

I lost out on the Fri nite pay, but I was thinking I could deduct the price of my VH ticket as a business expense... training and development :banana:

Ti-Ron

12-18-2007, 05:00 PM

Wow! I'm confused did people hate eachother here? It's like a school ground! Now I know that will never ending! Age bring widsom but there's always a little kid in you who wants to argue he is the king! By the way, I'm on Milkman and jrobert side, I think you're better to have you words right with everyone! Maybe it's my hippie side but be great with everyone around and your life will be great! I never miss a gig 'cause I only made 3-4 in my young life, I don't play in a band since college, so maybe 6 years now. But I was a hockey player for more thant 13 years and I never miss a game or practice for something else! I said I will be there, so that what I will do! Maybe it's just me but with all that selfthinking people on that little planet I understand why there's war,crime and other bad stuff....I know it's a little big but I'm probably not that far. I won't say that because someone here said that I just care about himself he is like Bush or else but I think that people like Bush are selfthinking person! That's my humble opinion!